Toolbar PR not being promoted

[Whitey]

Just wondered if it's me, or is Google demoting the importance of visible TBPR ?

[toolbar.google.com...] doesn't show it in it's screenshot and it keeps dropping off my installed toolbar.

[whitenight]

It's a lawsuit waiting to happen.

Last discussion Adam L (and I) had on this site was about that.

I'll let you put together the pieces.

[Marcia]

The latest toolbar (TB5 BETA) is now available for Firefox, and you have to specifically enable the TBPR feature. It's in BETA.

Last discussion Adam L (and I) had on this site

So what is that supposed to mean? Did he reveal any arcane secrets? Did he get scared away? Or is he the enemy agent of Google who's out to give webmasters the royal shaft?

It's a lawsuit waiting to happen.

Maybe so, but the last "victim" that I recall who tried that because it "cost them business" to have their PR stripped (since they could no longer con people into believing they were getting PR for the money they paid) was a deceptive, conniving spammer, and I would have pushed the red button on them long before Google did. All Google did was pull the PR they rightly deserved to lose.

Google still left the site in the index, which I personally wouldn't have done. I'd have kicked them out altogether long before.

[whitenight]

So what is that supposed to mean? Did he reveal any arcane secrets? Did he get scared away? Or is he the enemy agent of Google who's out to give webmasters the royal shaft?

I don't have the time to rehash the legalities of the situation.
It's in his last serious thread on this board if you want look it up and put together the pieces.

Maybe so, but the last "victim" that I recall who tried that because it "cost them business" to have their PR stripped...I'd have kicked them out altogether long before.

EFV? is that you? lol

I could care less about some crappy lawsuit based on a crappy premise.
All that suit proved, is that crappy lawsuits based on crappy premises often lose.

It did nothing to fortify or undermine Google's illegal actions regarding TBPR
Again, if you want to see a half decent argument you can reference the aforementioned thread.

[Marcia]

>aforementioned thread

You mean this two-parter with over 200+ posts?

[webmasterworld.com...]

I can't find your discussion with AL there in that long thing, but it's from over a year ago anyhow, and IMHO it's irrelevant. And it doesn't look like he's posted since then, either.

Personally, I like it and will continue to use it. Anyway, if someone doesn't want TBPR all they have to is choose not to enable it. Simple.

[Marcia]

There's an option to view PR and it's checked in the options but it isn't showing.

Just wondered if it's me, or is Google demoting the importance of visible TBPR ?

It seems like more of a bug, or the option wouldn't even be there - especially showing the "green" graphic as being checked.

[edited by: Marcia at 10:37 am (utc) on Nov. 2, 2008]

[Marcia]

Update: It's showing on the Toolbar today, with the same features, but it's much smaller in size. However, it's still buggy because it took several install/uninstalls and several re-boots to get it to show at all (and yes, I cleared the cache). Also, I had to click the options to show or not show TBPR a few times.

What I love about the PR display is that I can use the drop-down to see the cache, to see whether a page has been indexed. And then, can click to see the text-only cache if it is.

Both of those - the availability and convenience when looking at page - are possibly of more value even than seeing the green pixels, although I find the green TB display to be informative for certain factors with regard to internal PR distribution for older, established pages.

EFV? is that you? lol

No, but while it's not a pleasant task it's nevertheless a necessary one, and somebody around here has got to do it. :P

[edited by: Marcia at 5:07 am (utc) on Nov. 3, 2008]

[Whitey]

There's a video blurb here about it , that i just found for the first time.

Can't understand the reason to go through so many hoops - just smacks of Google not being fussed about the marketing value of TBPR for users anymore:

Google Help › Toolbar Help › Learn more › Toolbar features › PageRank basics

More Toolbar features: PageRank basics
Watch a video on how to enable PageRank.

As part of Google's search technology, the PageRank button shows an importance ranking determined by several factors, including the number of important pages that link to that webpage. The higher the number of important pages linking to a webpage, the higher its PageRank. To learn more, see our Technology Overview.

[google.com...]

If your Toolbar has a wrench icon, follow these steps to enable PageRank:

Click the wrench icon on your Toolbar.
Click the Tools tab in the 'Toolbar Options' window.
Select the 'PageRank' checkbox.
Click the Save button.

Is this new ?

[whitenight]

Can't understand the reason to go through so many hoops - just smacks of Google not being fussed about the marketing value of TBPR for users anymore:

For a legal standpoint, it's like an extra opt-in clause... an extra layer of protection.

[dan404]

I see, I think what you are referring to as legal concerns is privacy issues perhaps?