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Hossam
No longer just "more". Now, some links don't count for much, some don't count at all, maybe even some count against you?
There are probably several dozen factors that influence this, none of them the pure "number"; relevance, age, history, changes, all play a part.
after a new update you gained links and have now 94 backlinks, but the entire web gained also backlink as a matter of growth. you 94 backlinks are only a 3% of all the web's backlinks now and you drop to a pr6 although you absolutely gained backlinks.
and now you have to consider that each backlink has its individual relative value, which makes it even more complicated.
There are probably several dozen factors that influence this, none of them the pure "number"; relevance, age, history, changes, all play a part.
How would these factors affect PR, and TBPR to be specific, by any means?
We are talking about pure PageRank here, not the strength of backlinks on SERPS, which those factors would actually affect.
Personal sites mostly static; one went down one point.
One week-old site with three articles and almost zero backlinks shows PR3 - this is the odd one.
A two-week-old work site with about 200 article shows PR2. It has some solid link-love, so this is also odd (but more normal compared to the above).
Small directory sites definitely showing greybar on actual listing pages wherever I look. Big directories that don't pass PR seem untouched.
An interesting TBPR update for sure.
I think anallawalla is on target with the update. After reviewing tons of sites, it seems as if google is penalizing for having links on your site going to sites doing bad things like link farm boxes or pretty much any site passing alot of pr so making recipical links exchanges even more devalued or worthless and paid links worthless. Im just trying to figure out what they changed with there algorythim. Also people saying PR has nothing to do with ranking well it does and especily when your trying to get to the number one spot, almost any repitial SEO person will tell you backinks are 80% of SEO. And PR is one way to measure trust and its way more valuable because its harder to fake or falsify.
Is this a waitibg game or is there something wrong with the page?
It was fine before the update but now the page has also dissapeared for it's term.
Can it be the DC I am looking at?
again for most of the people i know this Tool Bar PR update, ended up with disappointment.
yeh, this update have been quite unpredictable and very unusual,,
for example, one of site, domain just one month old gained a PR 1 !,
some very good sites like mahalo even lost its pr by 1,
and surely in this update, home page PR of many sites remained almost untouched while inner pages have seen lots of fluctuation in PR..!
Well, i :-D developed an assumption on this early update, Google updated mainly Home page PRs in last ( July )update, and kept changing PRs and backlinks (as I noticed for 1 of my site in Aug-Sep) as well now finally done with the backlinks update & internal pages PR update, they h've spread the update in tool bars. :)
[did anyone else noticed this change in TB PR & backlinks during the month of Aug & Sep.?]
well this is just my personal assumption to this tit bit update..! :-P
Try this, uninstall your Google Toolbar for 30 days. I did and you know what, it really didn't have that much of an effect on me. In fact, the only time I really look at that thing is when people start talk about updates. ;)
Heh, me too, but I didn't have to uninstall the Google Toolbar. Virtually none of the sites I watch for myself or my clients (except for the very newest ones) ever moves at all, up or down, no matter what happens. I'd fall over dead if one of 'em did, at this point.
Two months ago we move from PR5 to PR4. Twenty five days ago we moved from PR4 to PR3. This weekend we moved from PR3 to PR2. Our daily impressions have been halved, even as we add more content.
I'm sure most people will think we've done some kind of black hat SEO that's been "discovered", but we haven't! We're about as straight up white SEO as it gets!
I am completely at a loss about the PR as we have never, ever tried to "game" the system and our site is increasing in quality and content daily.
If PR didn't directly correspond to our unique visitor count or page impressions, I wouldn't care. But it does. And I just. Don't. Get. It.
{GTBPRNG}
Google Tool Bar Pagerank Random Number Generator
A method to confuse webmasters, link sellers or buyers.
My site was unchanged in the last update. In this update home page and sub pages dropped 1. No change in the serps. Still a little worried that I am doing something that big g is frowning on. Not sure what.
In my sector old sites (6+ years old) that have had questionable link practices in the past are retaining pr. Newer sites (2-4 years old) are losing pr.
well Google did thie PR update almost a month earlier,, and as i felt it has most of the quite good quality pr link gathered in last 2-3 weeks
the wall street journal site is now PR4, how did that happen?
We definitely have worked to improve our paid-link and junk link detection algorithms. In our most recent PageRank update (9/27/2008) for example, there are some differences in PageRank because we've improved how we treat links, for example.
I have 2 sites and both have had something bizarre go on during the last PR update. all the top tier pages, home, about, us etc. have now finally got a page rank but 1 page from both sites have not. they are good quality pages but it seems strange and there is nothing similar between the two pages. Differnt sections, different content.
Has anyone else experienced this?
What can it be?
[edited by: Robert_Charlton at 9:09 am (utc) on Oct. 2, 2008]
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[edited by: Dabu_The_Dragon at 7:27 pm (utc) on Oct. 3, 2008]
Last fall we saw several updates in rapid succession around Google's war on paid links, so it this is not without precedent.
That effect could go a few website layers out (4-5?) until the dampening effect was too great to have much of an effect on TBPR.
People are talking about paid links. I don't have any paid links but would Google drop PR for other deceptive linking practices?
This was done unconsciously, but I have an amazon affiliate product text link bang smack in the middle of my homepage above the fold directly after an introduction. This attracts a lot of clicks as people mistake it for a central navigation link. The title of the product is very similar to the title attribute of my Homepage.
Could that cause a drop in PR?
We definitely have worked to improve our paid-link and junk link detection algorithms. In our most recent PageRank update (9/27/2008) for example, there are some differences in PageRank because we've improved how we treat links, for example.The "nofollow" attribute on links is a granular way that site owners can provide more information to search engines about their links, but search engines absolutely continue to innovate on how we weigh links as well. Thanks for the question!
[edited by: tedster at 4:54 pm (utc) on Oct. 4, 2008]
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I don't have any paid links but would Google drop PR for other deceptive linking practices?
