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I'm not sure if this is my firefox toolbar playing up or something to be more worried about.
I run a site that consist of only 8 pages. The first time that the google toolbar showed any PR for the site (earlier this year) it went up to 4 for all pages. During the last toolbar update the home page went up to 5 whilst all other pages stayed at 4. Obviously I was happy about this.
However, this morning when I've checked the home page is showing 5 still and one other page has pr4 but the rest have a white toolbar indicating 0 or thereabouts. I'm a little confused and concerned about this. The only thing I have changed on the site in the last couple of days is to change the font-size attribute to pt so that I don't get any differences in display size on different browsers and OS/s.
Should I be concerned? I tried a couple of these PR checker sites, one wasn't working another told me the page had a pr of -1!
2 pages are not listed in GWT as being indexed - one is the contacts page and another is one with links to local <businesses>. This is fair enough I guess although they were indexed previously.
According to GWT crawl stats the majority of my pages have yet to be assigned page rank and the rest have low page rank. I was under the impression PR5 was medium?
I understand the site lacks content to a degree however it has numerous good inbound links and is not doing anything dodgy to my knowledge. Ok the site is only 6 months old but being cynical about this the site is now far more dependent on adwords traffic as the organic traffic has dropped off significantly since this has happened.
How can I tell whether a site is being penalised? Or google has just determined that it's not as relevant as it thought it was?
[edited by: Robert_Charlton at 5:17 pm (utc) on Sep. 8, 2008]
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If these pages had very little original content and stayed that way for the first 6 months of their existence (OR if they existed in a previous form and are now being acknowledged as "replacements"), it's not surprising that the PR would have dropped. Who's to say whether PR0 or PR1-2 is appropriate? Surely they shouldn't be PR4-5 pages, right?
The other question is what promotional tactics have you taken to try to boost this site? Did you do something shady?
I'm inclined to welcome you to the world of website promotion and the job of making your sites rank higher. Build more high quality content and earn links. Then watch your PR rise. Remember that PR's really not that important in the grand scheme. :) The other option is to try the google groups and be willing to listen to a few self-righteous folks in an effort to get some help.
Just my $0.02.
The site has a fair few (31) incoming links from related sites and is dmoz listed. Initially I sought out links but more recently others have been linking to the site without my prior knowledge.
Last time the toolbar updated the homepage went up to Pr5 with all other pages staying at PR4. At some point since (not sure when) all but one of the other pages have been white barred and two pages are no longer included in the index.
I don't believe I've done anything dodgy in promoting the site.
Some of the content has been updated and changed during the life of the site (interestingly the one page that has retained PR4 has not changed) but some pages (like the contacts page) have changed little (not that I'm bothered about the contacts page that much).
I'm not new to building sites but I am new to the world of "SEO" so I'm constantly learning and each time I think I've got it something new surprises me!
I think the site needs more relevant content and I have been discussing with my business partner ways of adding things that will be relevant to the visitors, especially as we are now entering a quieter period in our niche
Some of the "white bar" directory indexes became PR3 and PR4. Then some newly published pages starting showing PR3 and PR4 - that's crazy. The FF toolbar, the IE toolbar, and several other apps kept disagreeing, and sometimes the same tool showed different data at different times during the day.
Ranking and traffic have not suffered for this site. So it seems to me that something goes buggy on Google's PR servers from time to time. For me it's just an extra kick to ignore those little green pixels.
g1smd - I am aware that www.domain.com and /index.html are different and I'm not concerned with either of those urls anyway as they PR has not changed for those. I am concerned about /anotherpage.html /anotherpage2.html and so on
Any clues about other ways of gathering PR data? I can find sites that will give you the PR or domain.com but not subpages.
Every tool I use to gather PR data I found through a search. But we don't discuss or recommend specific tools here, so you'll need to do your own looking around and trying things out.
There are lots of free tools for checking PageRank. The Google toolbars will show the PR of whatever page you visit. There are some browser extensions that you can add. There are also some websites that offer the service, as you mentioned. PR checking is also a side benefit of many paid SEO tools.
Every last one of these tools is completely dependent on Google's PR servers for the data. So if Google's PR information gets funny, then there's no other options. Google is the one who defines PR and they aren't about to share the exact details of how they do that so we can do our own calculations (after we spider the whole web, LOL.)
However two of those are not in the index according to GWT.
I have read that the toolbar updates are done every so often (every few months or so?) but that the PR updates before the toolbars show any updates.
I have another site on an unrelated subject. This other site is actually a directory site that is purely links to other sites in that particular niche, along with a description about the sites themselves
I have read that google doesn't link directories. However, when I started building the site the homepage was PR2 and it still is, the site is ranking well for some search terms and some internal pages are up to PR1 already. Again this toolbar update doesn't seem to fit in with the toolbar update schedule that I have read about (or has one just happened?)