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annej - I am very suspicious they do some link buying and wonder if Google is playing around with some algos they think might catch that.
I'm seeing similar signs this morning but I think that this is in reaction to the effect Internetheaven reported above. ie a devaluation in internal links caused an overvaluation in low value external links. I've seen a few sites rise to the very top of Serps that seem to have done it through link buying and link exchanging with off topic and/or poor geo location sites. Those now seem to be dropping.
Also one site that, out of the blue, got sitelinks for a very competitive 2 word term where there is no way it should be top of serps never mind be given sitelinks for that term. I'm pretty sure that this was an indication that external outgoing links, with the right anchor text, was given an undue boost. Today they have lost sitelinks. Lets hope they don't get them back!
What I'm seeing this morning looks like they are either tweaking down the weight of external outgoing links and incoming links or turning internal link anchor weight back up a tad.
Cheers
Sid
[edited by: tedster at 3:16 pm (utc) on May 1, 2008]
I feel a bit better now!
I have just noticed that other small search engines sites like Retrevo Are getting listed higher than me for my own unique content.
It’s been that way since Universal Search began. If you’ve listed with any search engine, directory, or specialty site chances are you’ll see your content in them outrank you in Google. Plus that does vary daily/weekly. The only reason I can see for this is Google has squashed so much of the competition that the only profits they can make or Google can is by putting their Adsense results into the serps.
honestly does google want to be the only site on the internet making money.
“That pretty well goes without saying.” I can still remember when I got orders from 40-100 search engines a day.
The thing is I have never registered with any of small search engines. More than likely it's one of my competitors who have registered me so that I get hit like this. So much for Google's 'no other websites can hurt your positions.'
Whats the point of creating good quality niche content on a TBPR6 site when a scraper site with a TBPR1 can out rank you for your own content simply by getting hundreds of poor quality Indian blog links.
Actually all the results seem more time sensitive, especially with commerce sites, based upon the swings people are observing.
Clickfires comments were exactly what I expected to see mentioned for this time period.
We have only really been badly affected for our most important, highest volume and most valuable term. I'm now convinced that this is caused by the devaluation of internal linking and the up-weighting of any old c**p back links in a competitive area. The site at #1 has gone back to having site links which is living proof that the current algorithm is as weak as gnats p*$$.
I can't understand why senior people at Google, on their personal blogs and in their public utterances are so smug. They are harming real businesses while helping people who are doing exactly what they say they want to stop. It just beggars belief.
I'm also now wondering if there is any point in reporting spam sites in the UK because unless they are doing unspeakable things on a global scale they slip under the radar of any new algo that Matt Cutts team can come up with.
The UK, in fact any market outside the US just doesn't matter to Google. They can make more money in an afternoon in the US than they make in a whole year in the UK.
Cheers
Sid
There might be 2 sets of results for my beloved search phrase.
One seems more up-to-date with direct daily-weekly changes on Web pages by Webmasters. The other seems a bit older.
Nevertheless, now it's hard to detect differences in between both.
One-two weeks ago both sets of results were quite different.
I like the current results.
p/g
No one is talking about long tail ... I don't see any changes.
It seems to be mostly affecting the terms that get a great many searches. My long tail traffic doesn't seem to be affected but then I don't watch those results much.
I do not think it's related to whether you have any affiliate ads. At least I'm not seeing anything like that.
well enjoy them while you can, im sure they will be gone soon.
When looking at our traffic graph in Analytics for the last few months, ours looks like a giant friggin' roller coaster ride! We'll have 10K+ daily uniques for 2 weeks, then 3K daily for two weeks, then back up, then back down, then back up......
TG we're back up as of yesterday. Sad part is, I know we'll be back down in a few weeks... I feel sorry for those whose depend on G for their livelyhood - this is like the mall manager telling you they're not going to allow you to have any mall visitors today..... but maybe tomorrow. Or maybe not. Or maybe yes.
It's craziness. I'm starting to wonder at the collective intelligence of all those PhD's. My hope is that they're just luring in as many bad guys as they can before the big KABLAMMO!
Although the swing isn't as big as what I have seen in the past few weeks, which is stating to worry me that these change might stick.
Any ideas.
not agree to though... just relate to.
or better put... comprehend
the rest I've been onto haven't been shaking either, it's just that those are probably not monitored live 24/7
I suggest to everyone here that once things settle down for a week or two straight, go on w/ your lives and analyse the SERPs in your niche/for the KWs you lost out on, and make your moves.
for what I'm seeing is probably ( 95% ) there to stay
for what I'm seeing is probably ( 95% ) there to stay
My crystal ball suggests that everything will stay the same unless it changes. ;-)
I waited until I thought "I've got nothing to lose, I might as well do some tweaks" and then I got stuck in to making changes I should probably have done years ago but dare not touch because I was lucky enough to be at #1.
Cheers
Sid
[edited by: tedster at 5:46 am (utc) on May 25, 2008]
[edit reason] moved from another location [/edit]
Sorry to hear about your trouble. Have you checked out the Hot Topics [webmasterworld.com] section, which is always pinned to the top of this forum's index page? There's a section in there with threads about "Penalties, Sandbox and Trust" that can help you understand some of the more common problems that come up.
These two DCs have results which put me higher, for my main target term, than I've seen for 10 months, when I use a "Google watch tool" which is in effect a US proxy. When I go directly to the DCs from the UK, I drop back 6 places.
64.233.183.107
66.249.91.107
Cheers
Sid
Perhaps duplicate content suddenly more strict? something is certainly up!
Surely this can't be here to stay...
Seeing very poor quality results in my niche.
Anyone else noticing a lot of Google books results in the serps?
Yep, but usually these are the last pages in the results set among other penalized pages.
Looking at last 6 months in my niche it is all about links. When I get more links, I go up. When I go on hols and do not get any, I slip.
No other factors in play for at least 6 months. Yawn.
There are different datasets if you go to the DCs using a proxy but I'm not seeing massive movement.
Cheers
Sid
