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I should explain 'mostly' above. My site had thousands of pages indexed.
Now when I do site: Google does show an accurate page count (in the thousands which it used to have) but when I try and scroll through the pages, Google only shows me about 150 page are in the index.
These lost pages are not in the index (despite the accurate site: ) because when I search for snippets that are unique to those pages, Google returns no results.
My homepage is still in the index along with those 150 pages. My homepage still ranks for a very competitive term. It is second for a query with 240K results (last week this same query showed 2.4 million results).
My referrals from Google are now less than 1% of what they were prior to 7pm EST.
I am hoping this is an issue of Google temporarily losing a site.
I really don't think this is a penalty issue, just a lost site issue. Would like to know if anyone else is experiencing the same thing.
superbitz: OMG... I had a few backlinks from a site with a similar background except it's Italian. It's also a .info and url is the name of the author. Is the site in question is related to adobe products like photoshop (just for confirming)?
Anyway I already contacted the author in DP and he removed all the links. :)
[edited by: Hemanth at 9:13 am (utc) on Dec. 20, 2007]
If you knew the specific site page I was referring to (which I don't think you do) then you know that of the current 4 sites that have yet to remove their footer links from the bottom of this page, all 4 sites have the same shared penalty. That's quite the "coincidinky" don't you think?
I don't believe there is one umbrella explanation for all the sites getting the -50 handjob and that the reason my 3 sites had problems isn't related necessarily to either your site or some of the others I have seen on these forums.
I am just providing some possible explanations that directly affect me and you can feel free to do the same. I don't expect anyone to take anything that I say as Gospel and that certainly includes you.
About "four sites had footer links on that site".. that points to a behavior of misbehaving rather than a single incident. From the sites I looked at they were not first time offenders in regards to having a slightly inflated link profile.
Again, your welcome to your opinion. But this isn't my first "Google Dance" and if you do believe these recent penalties are "automated" and thus algorithmically generated, then be prepared to wait a long time as I don't see these "timing-out."
I know 3 sites with links from this site. One was authority site, and is unchanged. One lost rank exactly as I would expect if losing it's only PR7 inbounds. From #4-5 to #7-8 for several keywords. The 3rd has been fluttering between -950 penalty and #30 for main keyword, and is now back in -950.
The three cases I know certainly don't seem to be suffering a "penalty" due to being caught with paid inbound links, but they are not new sites, and perhaps not as vulnerable.
After reading this it seems that this might have been exactly what hit us; it started seemingly only with the index page falling out of the index (and Google cache), at first unnoticed because we link extremely well also with other pages.
Those also have gone missing now and the only thing leftover is the forum on the website. The last pages were lost just yesterday and again they dropped not only out of google but also do not show any cache any more.
Seems to be a slow spiral of death :-(
Since then, the GoogleBot continues to visit as it always had, and my PR is as it was. I consider those a good sign. A search for my domain with quotes is still bad. Indexed pages is further down, but I think it's dropping pages that have now been 301'd to new URLs and updated titles. Server logs show that the bot is finding the newly URL'd pages, though they've not hit the index yet.
Overall, I'm going to have faith that this will work but will continue to take some time. That the bot is still active and that 301'd pages are coming out of the index tells me that G is doing their job. I've done mine, so now it's a waiting game.
I really believe that the duplicate titles and SPAM links were my killer. The bot will take care of the first, and I hope the reinclusion request the second.
Things are changing, but I can't yet say that all is well.
My debt management client still has its penalty in place. I submitted both reconsideration requests within minutes of each other. I am hopeful this 2nd client penalty will be lifted quickly. I corrected similar issues with both sites.
Will keep you updated.
Yes, both of my sites suffered the -50 penalty that befell most sites back on 12/10. The sites dropped out for about 72 hours then returned to the index at around 7pm on 12/13 with a -50 suppression on all its search terms.
Both sites shared two "questionable" links which were removed. I believe that was the main problem. However, I did identify some "possible" duplicate content issues caused some proxies that Google had cached and I had those removed as well. But I believe these non-link related changes were really just "cosmetic."
If and when my 2nd site pops back in I will let you know. I submitted a substantially more detailed request with that site so I am suprised that it wasn't the one to pop back in first.
So obviously the spam team people work faster/better than the other Google departments.
My rankings are slowly returned. It's in progress from yesterday night. Search for the site's title now returning to my home page! My main search keyphrase is also back with 1 position up. Now at No: 9 of about 1,330,000.
How's it going guys? So we can confirm that this is purely related to the paid-links issue. In my reconsideration request I pointed out only that violation.
I have a 2,5 years old web site with an Alexa ranking of 10k (50k
daily unique hits, %65 of it is Google Traffic, now unique hits
dropped to 15k/day).
indexed page count and site:domain.com results seem normal, i can find
any page searching my domain... but...
My web site was used to rank at #1 or #2 for some keywords more than 1
year and i can't even find them in the SERPs for a few days.
Only %10 of the forum threads keep their positions. There is a MAJOR
This'd happened at the end of November and took two weeks to become
normal. 3 days ago it happened again. All important pages have PR and
include zero paid links.
Even parked domains rank better than my unique-content-pages!
I submitted a reconsideration request, double checked my pages, can't
see anything wrong by my side...
Googlebot is still indexing my new forum threads in a few hours but it
simply doesn't list them in the SERPs!
I don't know "Google -xx Penalties" but i've been suffering from this disease since December 21th.
We saw our pages coming back first on the following data centers: 188.8.131.52 and 184.108.40.206. They then came up everywhere else around 1 day later.
They showed up in < an online data center comparison tool > without supplementals, so maybe Google is fetching here first or playing with their supplemental index?
Could be coincidence or specific to our dropped pages... Fingers crossed we stay where we are now...
[edited by: tedster at 7:32 pm (utc) on Dec. 31, 2007]
We lost our SERP positions on December 10th although our pages remained in the index. Google then slowly started moving our pages that were in the primary index to the supplemental index. Our pages have however started to move back to the primary index from the supplemental index. No improvement in SERP's though.
Within the last few days 2 of my spammy competitors came back from the December 10th "penalty" These spam sites haven't been changed very much. The only change I can tell is the hidden links in the top paragraph on the homepage (of one site) are now visible.
The doorway pages, hidden text, paid links and keyword stuffed navigation are all still there. Ya gotta love Google for putting these two prime examples of spam on page one of the serps.