Does a 301 transfer "bad influence"?

[mirrornl]

Hello everyone,
I've got this question:

I have this site wich obviously has some kind of penalty for over a year now (-45?)
If i 301 this to another domain,
will possible "bad influence" also be transported to the new domain?
I know the pr and link-juice eventually will most of the time...

thx in advance for you insight

[tedster]

If the answer is "Yes", then a competitor could hurt you by placing a 301 to your site from a "bad neighborhood" domain that they control. So I really don't think past penalties should automatically transfer. If the penalties were related to the former content anyway, it's now gone.

But it is an interesting question. I've got no practical experience with doing this, so I look forward to comments from anyone who has.

Are you thinking of placing a 301 to an established domain or a brand new one?

[g1smd]

I have seen people claim they had a site which Google banned, so they set up a 301 redirect to a new domain, put the content up on that new domain, and got their rankings back very quickly.

By now, I would think that Google has moved to counter that action or loophole.

[mirrornl]

Thank you Tedster and g1smd,

that gives me some hope finally :)

I was thinking to redirect it to an existing domain, would that be ok?

[1script]

I have used this before when a proverbial trigger-happy Goog site reviewer dumped one of my sites into -30 (and now minus 75 or so) oblivion. I have not redirected the whole site though. I had an important section that was actually large enough to become a site on its own. I started a new domain, moved the content over and 301-ed that section of the old site to it. The new site had quickly gained Goog traffic, unlike any other new site I've ever started, and got PR3 at the last update skipping PR1 and PR2 altogether (although the 301s were not the only links added in recent months).
I honestly think that this is the ONLY way to salvage any possible traffic from a site that was unjustly sanked by a hand-applied Google penalty. The original site is entering its 15th month of -30 penalty and counting and after 10+ reinclusion requests I'm not holding my breath.