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How strict is Google against spam?

         

IsItUPYet

2:43 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I have a nuymber of websites all of which rank very well in deed on msn however on Google my pages languish some 20 pages in. I consider myself to be completely 'whitehat', but I'll list the on-page techniques that I employ.

* Keyword in title, keywords, description and header tags
* Keywords throughout body content, predominantly toward the top of the page
* Links at the bottom of the page, linking to themselves, featuring the keywords in the anchor text

Are any of these likely to see me penalised?

tedster

3:00 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Keyword links in the footer have caused me occasional ranking problems inthe past - problems that disappeared eventually when I backed off a bit on the frequency of such keywords. Google's algo is quite sensitive to keywords in the anchor text, and so I've assumed they guard against overuse of this practice, especially in sitewide links.

What do you mean by "linking to themselves"? A page does not link to itself for the human user, right? In fact, it's a usablity frustration for the human user to click a link and see the same page re-load. If this is what your site does in more than one link, that may also be an issue.

kaybarella

3:35 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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"Links at the bottom of the page, linking to themselves, featuring the keywords in the anchor text"

if you are saying you have a list of links that reload the page they are on i definately agree this is not good practise.

never have a link that reloads the current page and avoid linking to the same page more than once in any page.

how about instead you link to other internal pages that arent immediately available from the main navigation (using a keyword target of the destination page)

GenerationTalk

5:24 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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How strict are Google?

Article:

Google bans BMW [arcon5.com]

With BMW being a very large website, it shows they treat them just as equally as the small guys.

Moral of the story, dont do it!

digitalghost

5:30 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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>>it shows they treat them just as equally as the small guys

And now for the rest of the story...

Less than a week later, BMW was back in the index. Do you think if it was Bob's BMW site old Bob would have been back in the index in a week?

MrStitch

5:51 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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In regards to having a page link to itself...

What if my menu bar has all the pages listed.

item for widgets and another for thing-a-ma-jigs, on every single page.

I only have two pages that do this tho. My widgets page has several links to differently designed widgets. While my thing-a-ma-jigs page has links to differently designed... you get the idea.

The main widgets page does have a link in the nav bar to the very page you'd be looking at. Same as the other.

Is this a serious problem?

soapystar

6:05 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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digitalghost
exactly right!

this is the point. If your a big brand or authority site or have some big bang in some areas of the net then you will get a way with far more than mom and pops pr2 site. The serps are full of big brand sites spamming every which way you can, there is no way if i did 10% of that stuff i would last the week out in the serps.

toothake

7:08 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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"How strict is Google?
Article:
Google bans BMW"
IMO Google just can't detect spam 100% , there are out there zillions of scammers using the same methods and worst than the above site rank at top for high KW's ,the point is to nail them straight to Matt Cutts or Google Guy ,posting spam reports brings nothing. If that forum could allow spam reports or Matt in his blog I can tell you Google could solve there storage problem "Those machines are full" within a few days.BTW I knew a site that was banned due to heavy hidden text and links ,the guys clean up the site did probably a re inclusion request and they where back in the index ,after a month when the case was forgotten they upload the old scam page again and they rank top. What else can I say. Spam detection is a matter of human intervention and not only just a mathematic algorithm.

tedster

7:18 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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What if my menu bar has all the pages listed.

This is a common situation and on its own does not seem tocause problems. The opening post mentioned several keyword-filled links in the footer that point to the same page. Different situation. As a matter of fact, I know of several sites that got handed a Yahoo penalty as well for a similar practice.

Footer spam -- not a good idea.

MrStitch

7:35 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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At the bottom of my site, I have - Copyright 2006 Widgco: Widgets & Thinga-ma-jigs. (but this is just text... not a link)

Would I be getting penalized for that?

GenerationTalk

7:56 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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No!
Not all websites create a link out of their copyright notice.