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I see PR changes for my 5-6 sites. Some went down some went up.
Check on these datacentres.
72.14.217.104
72.14.221.99
209.85.135.102
My blog went from 3 to 5 PR. :)
[edited by: tedster at 7:35 pm (utc) on Nov. 1, 2007]
Traffic hasnt changed and several sites around us have dropped as well.
My conclusions after doing this for 8 years.
Toolbar pr hasnt meant anything in over 3 years. While it may give someone a general idea of a sites prestige in terms of traffic sent via seo/sem it is one of the last factors to come into play and the toolbar pr you see is false anyhow.
Google has/is purposely delaying toolbar updates by upwards of a year and showing false positives when this export is completed. Google is knowingly creating confusion which she always has done but to a degree now I have never seen.
My suggestion, if you are concerned over the little green bar in any capacity, remove it. It means nothing and this whole thread is senseless.
It means nothing and this whole thread is senseless.
As google obviously wishes to maintain the page rank green bar, it still remains one "metric" to guage how important a site is viewed by google in relation to the other sites on the net.
If a site is a PR9 you know its a very important "authority" site without looking at the sites content - Its this authority status that webmasters are aiming for.
But how can it really mean anything when I can whoop the ass of competitors now three points higher than me on TBPR, month after month, year after year.
Surely the SERPS reflect what google thinks are the authorities on whatever subject you happen to be searching?!
I mean, it comes down to this, would you want a link from a higher TBPR site or from the one at the top of your main keyword serps?
And, I still say with www.youtube.com and youtube.com at 3 means this cannot be correct.
The toolbar values generally reflect where your site was two to five weeks ago. It isn't real-time, nor is it new.
I think this too. But I have main page that was on page 7 of the SERPS over 4 months ago. Its PR was 5.
Four months ago, my site moved to page 1 of the SERPS (position 3) and my PR has dropped to 4.
But how can it really mean anything when I can whoop the ass of competitors now three points higher than me on TBPR, month after month, year after year.
Would have to agree with you. The value of page rank has certainly been devalued somewhat in the overall search algorythm over the last few years.
But, a PR8 site with a page off it about "blue widgets" should not automatically outrank say a PR6 site that has a more detailed page off it about "blue widgets" with more specific links to it and better content - thats the way it should be.
If PR was everything the same sites would rank for everything in their sector.
But, i still say PR is still a major factor, it certainly adds to the "Trust" factor of a site and google directory clearly lists sites in authority order acording to this metric.(ignoring the fact that the dase data for its directory is corrupted as its from a Third Party source)
In all, i do agree with your comment
Mohd. Sarfaraz
[edited by: tedster at 2:30 pm (utc) on Oct. 27, 2007]
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Just to let you know that about less than 1 month ago I got a PR1 in one of my sites. Today, it has PR4.
Well, does this means that instead of taking long, it's taking less time to change?
What are your thoughts?
[edited by: tedster at 2:36 pm (utc) on Oct. 27, 2007]
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I have seen a lot of older established sites lose a point
My site has a number of subsites and directories with their own index.html pages. The most important ones have dropped one point in the toolbar, but some of the minor ones have gained a point. Some of this may be due to changes in internal linking that took place months ago; there's no way to know. In any case, the PR6 pages that are now PR5 haven't taken a hit in the rankings, and pages beneath them don't appear to have slipped in the SERPs. Traffic looks normal so far.
Of course, it's important to remember that a drop from toobar PR6 to toolbar PR5 may merely be a drop from 6.01 to 5.99, and--as we all know--PR is just one of many factors in Google's search rankings.
The number of web sites are increasing daily, and so is quality. If an existing site doesn't improve then the new sites will push it down the ranking. You have to work on a site just to keep your PR these days. To increase PR gets harder and harder, especially for non-commercial sites without a sizeable budget.
The main problem I see is that low PR may help push pages into the supplemental index.
Did you all miss the above poster's reference?
www.youtube.com <---- PR of 3
How do you know?
Obviously this has not propagated through all datacenters yet.... unless of course Big G is trying to tell Big A to watch out for their new Gphone ;>)
If an existing site doesn't improve then the new sites will push it down the ranking.
And if this is any indication, your joint suggestion that this PR is a natural result of degradation of sites that are being overtaken by newer better sites AND that the PR shift is complete, given that youtube.com has a PR of 3, clearly is nonesense.
Either the PR does not reflect anything legitimate this update and you're right about it being complete (and wrong about it being a reflection of content) OR it is incomplete and "may" be a reflection of content.
Either way presenting your points in a manner that is certain is misleading. Obviously you don't know whether the PR update is complete nor can you explain why youtube has a PR of 3.
So, the point still stands: This "update" is either a shakedown to really disrupt the reliance people have on the green bar OR it's incomplete and buggy yet.
[edited by: henry0 at 5:37 pm (utc) on Oct. 27, 2007]
The way to fight back is encourage your clients to login to their adwords accounts and lower their budgets by 20%. To make up for this traffic, advise them to buy more ads with different keywords from Yahoo and MSN. If everyone does this, the tyrants at G-plex will feel the negative backlash and take a few steps back off their attack against webmasters.
The number of web sites are increasing daily, and so is quality. If an existing site doesn't improve then the new sites will push it down the ranking. You have to work on a site just to keep your PR these days.
I'd maintain that the number of Web sites in increasing daily, but the average quality of those Web sites is declining because so many pages are computer-generated, consist of editorially questionable user-contributed content, etc. But in any case, SERP rankings and PageRank are two different things. As any number of members have pointed out, the toolbar PR changes aren't necessarily reflected in search rankings (even for competitive terms).
BTW, I'm no mathematician, but I recall reading that--at least in theory--PageRank averages should go down as the Web expands and the "PageRank pool" is diluted. Maybe someone who's studied the original PageRank treatise in detail (and who fully understands the math involved) could comment on this.
Thought Google hated me there for a sec hehe
PageRank averages should go down as the Web expands and the "PageRank pool" is diluted
I think page rank average is constant, and it is equal to one ("as long as I know"). Since each webpage will be given a PR 1 ("or one point") then calculate the linking across the web to obtain the final PR for each page.
I am making the assumption that this toolbar update is the same as the process that has taken place in the past. For a long time now the toolbar update has been understood as merely updating the information available via the toolbar, and as such is a one-off snap shot of the 'real' PR. The update may not be 'complete' in the sense that the update takes time to rollout. And of course there could be bugs in the rollout process.
How can I explain YouTube's PR3? I can't, but then I also can't explain why some of YouTube's second-level pages are PR8.
Not sure why webmasters who are happy with their status with Google tend to try to suggest that those that complain are somehow slacking.
I wasn't making a suggestion, nor am I happy with my own PR. I was just stating the obvious. The number of websites is increasing drmatatically - just think of the explosion of the number of new websites in the Far East launched in the past few years. Any new site that has better backlinks than an existing site will be better placed than the existing site. And as the scale isn't absolute but relative, the effect is to push the existing site down the PR scale.
Getting links is now a business and getting increasingly difficult. Even existing incoming links tend to get devalued as the sites providing the links also slip down the PR scale.
