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2:28 am on Oct 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

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So I've got keywords on google... and now I want to know what page is good and what page isn't

Say for example we're looking for Britney Spears Toxic and we typed that in, if my page result was on page 7 is that a good rank? or do I need to appear on the first page? a 2nd or 3rd page? to even be noticed.

As a web browser I always click the most likely match in the title and content of a page result, however I've had to search Deep into google at times as a novice user trying to be smarter and finding somthing with pathetic keywords that bring up useless rubish, I learn from that mistake and learn what to type and it brings up my results on the first page and I'm away...

So this just leads me to believe, if my site does not rank between 1 and 10 on a google search result, am I screwed, if not, what page am I screwed beyond?

Thanks Guys.

4:20 am on Oct 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Good rank is any ranking on any search phrase that generates targeted traffic to one of your pages. Some searches are such that people may dig way down. Others are such that you'd better be in the top 3 or forget about it. And others may not generate any traffic of value for you, even if you're in the number one spot.

So it really varies from query to query. Page 7 is unlikely to be of much value - unless your topic is one people research QUITE intensively. But sometimes page 2 or 3 can do some good.

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What the previous poster said... check your statistics - are you getting traffic from it or not and if yes - how much? there's your answer..

And a good rank will always be number one, first page, first result - but since it's next to impossible to get there on a popular keyword - then ... try to get to page one if possible, as a general rule of thumb - that's where the traffic from google is - and you might also try alternate sources of traffic and throw your links to some blogs or other websites which relate to the topic(s) of your website -

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Thanks guys,

Some good news for me, Well I woke up today and my site had gotten a index of 100 pages with google, previously only 30 pages.

I checked my analytics account to find 20 unique search queries resulting in unique traffic, so I swtiched over to google and typed the search phrases of 3-5 words and found I was top on most of these keywords, page 1, between the 1st and 10th result.

I guess I don't have to worry too much, even page 2 traffic was coming in nicely...

However will this remain? I'm going to try and convert this traffic into repeat visitor traffic, at least to build some kind of relationship between my traffic and the indervidual themselves, they'll want more resource and where best to get it but from me...

I admit I'm a competitor in a small competition however, I'm already beginning to find myself thinkin "I'm going to go far, this is the first Search engine related web-site i've ever worked on, and it's actualy working out to be very effective and amazingly free"

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Nothing is lasting, everything is changing - at least, that's what the buddhists say. If you still rank high in a few months on the same phrases, then it's more of a secure position - but google has a tendency to sometimes favor new websites and original content which doesn't seem to trigger any alerts and let them rank high, for a limited amount of time on different keywords and phrases to see how they do. Benefit of doubt - and to give new people on the scene a chance to get some visitors. But google, you know, it's crazy -
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Thanks Randomdot, I won't go and buy a house yet then! I'll try to convert the visitors into coming back to the same domain from various different search queries, hopefuly google will understand and wack on a PR5 just to butter everything up nicely.

I've had my first 50 unique queries today and more coming in, hopefuly I can keep this kind of results (monetise from this too!), time to give them a sign-up option, and start offering them a chance to contribute to my content.

Since 24th september, I've now got over 700+ pages of content and only 10% is listed on google, this could be a good thing, what if it was all listed :)

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Again, build a visitor base around your website - get people in, and get them to come back if you possibly can. Revenue can usually wait until you get a larger share of the total market ...and just to remind you before you go totally over the top like I did back in the day and think more is better and have to act quick and fast - don't push too much. Create some good content that people would want to read/see/listen/buy/whatever and you'll get there eventually. Be happy about the visitors you get and care about them - never depend too much on other systems than your own.
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You've raised a fair and valuable point Randomdot, but thankfuly the content I push out is really much quality in it's own respect, I mean every entry I place in my site is Searched by millions worldwide, so to get on the Top 10 results is where it's at globaly!

I ensure each piece of content is at the best quality, most relative, and most respectable, if it sucks i don't add it, I'd rather not provide bad quality results for people who are looking for 'skate boards' for example and get 'plastic skateboards' it just wouldn't look good on my site Either right?

About monetising, it's best to wait like you said, don't start making money out of my new 'visitors' until I have built up a large-user base, in which then I'm converting into users primarily and money secondarily.

Thanks for your points, I've added loads of new content today , and had just recently 10 more unique searches for unique content I have in the last hour so I'm pretty happy!

5:39 pm on Oct 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I gave up on Google and am focusing on MSN and Live for one of my sites.
I rank on page #1 on MSN and page 5 on Google.
Unfortunately I get more traffic from MSN. The referrals are still very low.