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New site goes from #3 to #7 to nowhere

         

Englishuk

8:37 am on Jul 18, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Hi All,

Apologies if this is the 1000th time some newbie has come here and posted about this, I just want to share what has happened with a new website that was created about 1 month ago.

After the first week, the website was 3rd in google for the keyword we was targeting. By the 3rd week we had slipped to 6th or 7th. Checking today, I've no idea where we appear, I've checked the first 10 pages or so but we are no where to be found.

Will new content be pushed high when google finds it for the first time, possibly to try and make the search results reflect new stories/events? After a short time will it then filter out and go back into its natural position?

The website now has over a 1000 backlinks on yahoo's site explorer, and in the google webmaster tools google reports over 300. A few of the links are from pages with a page rank of 4 and 3. None of the sites that appear for the keyword we are targeting shows any pagerank at all.

Can someone explain the effect I've seen this morning......? Its a fairly extreme drop in rankings. Moving down 10 or 20 positions would seem ok for a new website, but to drop completely off the lists just doesn't make sense.

Any help would be very much appreciated.

BillyS

5:05 pm on Jul 18, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Welcome to WebmasterWorld!

>>Will new content be pushed high when google finds it for the first time, possibly to try and make the search results reflect new stories/events? After a short time will it then filter out and go back into its natural position?

That's what many of us think happens.

>>The website now has over a 1000 backlinks on yahoo's site explorer

That seems like a lot of links to get in a month's time. I'm not sure Google would consider that NATURAL links.

Englishuk

5:21 pm on Jul 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Hi Billy,

Many thanks for your reply. I managed to find the site, we are now in last place. Quite an achievement, I didn't think it was possible.

Anyhow I have removed one of the sitewide links I was using from an old website (decent pagerank though) and changed some of the anchor text in other links as it was all the same.....

Have to wait and see what happens.

errorsamac

6:09 pm on Jul 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Your site is a great example of how you can take down other websites (especially new sites like yours) by giving them lots of external links with the same anchor text. This is especially useful if you are aware of people trying to get in to your niche and you want to make sure they can not be successful on Google (at least until Google fixes this issue).

Englishuk

6:59 pm on Jul 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for your reply :)

Seems a little crazy to me, to actually be able to do that. Maybe to heighten the effect, pay a few £'s a month and rent some server space with the same hosting company they are using, same IP. Link to them, wham.

Maybe even have quite a few crappy domains on that hosting account linking to them.....

apauto

9:43 pm on Jul 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

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how old is your site?

Englishuk

9:58 pm on Jul 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

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About 7 weeks old now.

I know, I know, very young. Maybe ranking down 20,30 or 40 spots would be fine. But now we're stuck right at the end.

I've managed to get ibl's removed that had anchor text that matched our h1 title. I have changed the H1 title so that it is not over optimized. I have removed duplicate menu's on the page ( there was a side menu and top menu, duplicate links).

Duplicate content may also be an issue, I had used the same description when submitting to directories that was on the front page.

Right now I'm just looking to be removed from the bottom of the rankings, and then I'll rebuild from there.

I think from our site's point of view, it was too many links, too fast(site wide, large forums) with the exact same anchor text. When I changed the H1 title for the site to match the anchor text this seemed to tip us over the edge.

None of these was paid links though, just an old website i still own and someone else I know. Just seems alittle extreme, many people just trying to promote their website using backlinks as google suggests may run into the same problem, and might not even check the end of the rankings for their website. It will just have gone......