Forum Moderators: Robert Charlton & goodroi
Reseller,
Having looked at these dc's in some detail, I have to disagree with you (tho glad you're making a comback!).
Because of major changes to a site I have in the OCT-FEB period, I can pinpoint the vintage of the index quite easily (and confirm the site specific results with others I am familiar with). What I see on these dc's is an index made up of ancient results (circa AUG 2005) with some additions from FEB or so.
If this truly is the result of the carnage of the switch to BD then Google has accomplished nothing in the FEB-15 to current timeframe.
If as you say, Google knows exactly what they're doing, what they are apparently trying to achieve is to augment the AUG-05 index with a few new pages. If you mean Google intended to "break down" the entire index and rebuild it "live" - unlike in the past where more or less finished updates rolled onto all dc's over a 5-7 day period - then I might agree. What I can't see is the reseller frindly ® dc's being anything but yet another interim step. The difference is, I see the process as scambling to try and fix an unanticipated scru-up, you see it as an deliberate plan.
Either way, I'm counting the days until Microsoft rolls out their new product as Google is ripe for the taking ... takes awhile for the public to turn against a SE but there certianly is precedent (remember when you couldn't turn on your TV without seeing ads for Lycos?).
From a webmaster point of view, the ideal world is MSN, Google, Yahoo with 30% market share each.
[edited by: tedster at 10:32 pm (utc) on April 6, 2006]
Exactly, texasville!
Hey Boss! I know how to fix that pesky supplemental problem we been having . . . just dump all those pages from the index. That'll stop those damn webmasters from whining about how their whole site went supplemental!
Perhaps its still half way to being fully updated. The serps certainly look that way anyway imo.
See what next week brings, but it looks like this update is still far from being finished!
He he - it will stop some as some people do really hate the whole idea of the supplemental index.
I have been saying for ages that I think the ranking of the serps at the moment is based on old data while the crawling is done by a new bot - which is capable of doing new things - hence a very strange index at the moment.
EG. Normal Googlebot is providing the scoring algorythm - this scoring algo could be said to be taken from early Feb or so at the very very latest if based on last normal Googlebot PR change - but could be the scoring algo that was in place at the time big daddy was first introduced (eg November 2005 ish).
While the new Mozilla Googlebot came in to life Google may well have wanted to have a consitent scoring algo to base it on and the November 2005 ish score may still pretty much control the serps.
Fact remains the Mozilla Googlebot has crawled pages succesfully - and we now can see them get allocated PR - the old Googlebot would have scored lowly (EG. Hijack/Canonical probs) with a PR0 - however, these pages still can not rank for toffee - why? Because Google are still persisting with using an old Scoring method for these pages.
Just my theories which have not changed much through the whole process.
But if Google are still using the old Googlebot scoring factors then as this bot has pretty much retired they have to switch to the Mozilla Googlebot calculated figures soon.
>>>See what next week brings, but it looks like this update is still far from being finished!
Not given up hope that they might pull something out of the hat yet? I agree, next week or two should show us I would have thought.
:)
"64.233.187.104 is back and is rather scary if you liked the sandbox concept"
I.e that DCs set has left my friendly DCs after just a short visit to the troops
[64.233.187.99...]
[64.233.187.104...]
Many other things are happening on the DCs though ;-)
Hi Folks
Have any of you noticed this evening something worth mentioning on these DCs?
I know that they might be different sets of serps, but if you have been watching any of them recently, have you noticed this evening any changes?
[64.233.179.99...]
[64.233.179.104...]
[64.233.185.99...]
[64.233.185.104...]
[64.233.167.99...]
[64.233.167.104...]
[66.102.7.99...]
[66.102.7.104...]
[72.14.207.99...]
[72.14.207.104...]
[216.239.53.99...]
[216.239.53.104...]
[216.239.57.99...]
[216.239.57.104...]
[216.239.59.99...]
[216.239.59.104...]
Or maybe its just me ;-)
Thanks!
Google are still using the old Googlebot scoring factors ... as this bot has pretty much retired
It has certainly slowed in April, but no means retired.
PS
I want it to retire! I also want Google to split the M_bot away from the Adsense-bot IPs.
Wishing the best to you and your serps - read you again tomorrow moring with a fresh cup of cappuccino (made by a swiss macchina)
Yes of course... many fresh cups of cappuccino :-)
Hi Folks
I have noticed some changes of the serps on my gorgeous ladies. However they are still both faithful and friendly to Reseller ;-)
[64.233.171.99...]
[64.233.171.104...]
[64.233.185.99...]
[64.233.185.104...]
[72.14.203.99...]
[72.14.203.104...]
Enjoy
Dayo_UK:Google are still using the old Googlebot scoring factors ... as this bot has pretty much retired.
Wishful thinking, methinks.
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It has certainly slowed in April, but no means retired.
My bad. You are correct, Dayo_UK. The old G-bot last visited my site on 28 March; other so-called visits were from some prat at a German university forging the UA. It seems to have retired [webmasterworld.com] (msg#18).
64.233.187.104 sure looks like the sandbox with concrete piled on top of it. Some sites that have crawled up into the single digits dropped back into the 600s.
Keep posting the DCs. I follow your posts daily.
"(Reseller please stop posting DCs that rank your site well. It may have been funny at first but its way past old now.)"
So you haven't understood what its all about, steveb, unfortunately ;-)
Those are a group of datacenters which have been showing different serps than the rest of the DCs for sometime. They just remind me of most of Pre-Allegra Google's serps. True my site rank well. But should that be enough reason not to watch and report changes of them?
I find it also entertaining in fact to keep an eye on those DCs :-)
There should be a place for some positive happy posts, sometimes. Not only sad war stories.
As to the name of that special DCs group, I might call it "Emmy Datacenters" in future, instead of The Reseller Friendly DCs. Provided that Matt Cutts doesn't mind, of course :-)
Back to talk DCs....
My ladies are still there this morning, btw :-)
[64.233.171.99...]
[64.233.171.104...]
[64.233.185.99...]
[64.233.185.104...]
[72.14.203.99...]
[72.14.203.104...]
Have a great happy positive weekend
"There should be a place for some positive happy posts, sometimes."
Actually, no, not here. Post in the Foo forum if you want to talk about how your sites are doing. Datacenters watch means watching developments on datacenters, not "telling people how my sites are doing".
:-)
I'm not seeing this. I still am waiting for a recovery to my traffic but I am *this close* to giving up on it ever coming back. After all the talk about Google's obliteration of sites with affiliate links I tend to agree. Affiliates are now a dying breed, replaced with results that attempt to find discussion/information of the niche products that is outside the realm of the original merchant's product description. And guess what, in the majority of cases this simply does not exist.
Black hat and automation is looking more and more appealing every day, sheesh.
"After all the talk about Google's obliteration of sites with affiliate links I tend to agree. Affiliates are now a dying breed, ..."
In fact affiliates are living very well on my friendly DCs. It wasn't by accident I called them "Reseller Friendly". They are aslo affiliates frindly, IMO ;-)
The ones who have been dying since last year are "Thin Affiliates". "Content Affiliates" as our kind member Europe For Visitors have been doing well, as far as I know. Right EFV?
An actual observation: Some long "buried" keywords for one of my sites started to climb after the last TB PR rollout. First at +#400, then at +#300, then #280, #230, #180, #167, and now at #128 and climbing!
I do not know where it will stop, but it is very interesting to observe. :)
I guess my pages could be classified as thin affiliate as they are part of a datafeed store I added to an existing community. Here is the interesting part... the pages that form the community i.e. forum pages, blog pages, are untouched in rankings. In fact traffic has increased somewhat since the start of the year. However the datafeed store pages have been strangled by the mighty hands of Google. Traffic to these pages has all but dried up.
It seems that as it currently stands Google will kill off any thin affiliate type pages even if they belong to a quality site.
"reseller -
I guess my pages could be classified as thin affiliate as they are part of a datafeed store I added to an existing community. Here is the interesting part... the pages that form the community i.e. forum pages, blog pages, are untouched in rankings. In fact traffic has increased somewhat since the start of the year. However the datafeed store pages have been strangled by the mighty hands of Google. Traffic to these pages has all but dried up."
The issue here sounds more than affiliates, IMO. I guess possible duplicate contents might played part or was the main reason for being "strangled by the mighty hands of Google" :-)
I have ran a test on one of my test-domains for around six months. I'm sure now that duplicate contents is a killer, not the affiliate links, nor AdSense spots.
I might write more details about my test in a future post.
"The wierd stuff is back: [72.14.207.99...] and [72.14.207.104...] at least."
I'm not so sure yet, but right now (9:53 pm GMT +1) when run my keyphrase and apply &filter=0 on my "friendly" following DCs, I end up at serps with the top 10 sites the same as those of the 2 DCs you mentioned when run the same keyphrase on (without &filter=0).
[64.233.171.99...]
[64.233.171.104...]
[64.233.185.99...]
[64.233.185.104...]
[72.14.203.99...]
[72.14.203.104...]
Thoughts?
Reseller may be right, frakilk.
One of the top ranked (frequently #1) sites in an area I monotor is the definition of the "thin affiliate." ZERO original added content, page after page generated off the original supplier database.
Unless something changes, they sure don't seem to be suffering.
Some difference, eh?
Can't believe Google is staying with any of the current flavours of BD indexes until the next update (one contains tons of ancient pages, the other was pared down by dumping anything that had incorrectly been listed as supplemental).
I think Google's gonna try to merge the results of the heavy crawl of the past 2-3 weeks with the pared down index soon (course they have been batting about .050 on attempts to merge the circa AUG BD index with anything else so far).
Could it be that they upload the "unhealthy data" as it is on [72.14.207.99...] and [72.14.207.104...] to be used for later testing?
