Supplemental Club: Big Daddy - Part 3

[icedowl]

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On one of my searches this morning, I found a site with an expired domain above my site in the results. That just ain't right!

[edited by: tedster at 5:58 am (utc) on Nov. 8, 2006]

[norton j radstock]

coming back......26 of 70 pages back after having dropped to just homepage and 4 supplemental pages. The four supplemental remain but are at the bottom of the rankings for the site, so I guess no harm.

Thanks Google for sorting it.

[SlyOldDog]

Seems to be over for us. 300,000 pages indexed and SERPS are back to normal.

Thanks a million GoogleGuy and all the search team.

[angiolo]

First of all "THANK YOU GG""!

With refrence to the sites that joined the "supplemental club", all of them had been recovered.

I can give you an example about these Google Databases:

' BD DC's: they showed only the main page and all other pages as "supplemental":

OK it means that now they recovered about half of the pages ( half of the page they show in the NOT BD databases).

64.233.179.99 OK
64.233.179.104 OK
64.233.183.99 OK
64.233.183.104 OK
64.233.185.99 OK
64.233.185.104 OK
64.233.187.99 OK
64.233.187.104 OK
64.233.189.104 OK
64.233.161.105 Not Reacheable
64.233.161.147 OK
64.233.171.99 OK
64.233.171.104 OK
64.233.171.147 OK
216.239.37.99 OK
216.239.39.99 OK
64.233.167.99 OK
64.233.167.104 OK
216.239.39.104 OK
216.239.37.104 OK

these others should be non-BD and most of them show about all the pages ( the double than BD ):

216.239.53.99
216.239.57.99
216.239.59.99
66.102.11.99
66.102.9.99
66.102.7.99
64.233.161.99
64.233.161.104
216.239.53.104
66.102.11.104
66.102.9.104
66.102.7.104
216.239.57.104
216.239.59.104
216.239.63.104
216.239.57.98
216.239.57.105
216.239.59.105
66.102.7.105
216.239.57.147
216.239.37.147
66.102.7.147
64.233.167.147

In the same way that traffic "slowly" (day per day ) decreased, traffic is now increasing.

I suppose it will take a week or two to re-gain the lost traffic.

[Eazygoin]

Angiolo>>

I'm sorry, but I don't see any real difference between the two sets of DC's you mention.

Page count is generally the same, and supplementals is also the same.

I am not so sure that all the ones you seperate are BD either, but I hope you are right, for your site's sake :-)

[angiolo]

Eazygoin >>

Where are you based?

From here ( Europe ) I had few sites got supplemental in the first set of databases: now they seem recovering half of the pages.... ( and traffic ...).

In the first set of databases those sites seems have half of the pages listed in the second set.

Have you checked all the IPs?

I do not know if results are different in other continents...

[Nick0r]

It's great that they seem to have reversed their actions but how about all the new pages that google is continuing to crawl, but not yet showing in their index (the crawling has been happening for the past 3 weeks)

[Eazygoin]

Angiolo >>

I have offices in Spain and England. The diversity of pages listed is the one difference I see.

On some DC's there are 800 pages, others 57000, and others 67,500 [BD] for my site. In reality we have about 4000 pages, and these are added to every day.

There are no supplementals on non BD DC's, but on BD the majority are supplemental as I write.

[watercrazed]

Hi, US here
your BD databases look good I am back, It was a quick check first 1000 on site:www.mydomain.com no supplemental.

Interesting point, when it first came back 8 hours ago on a couple DC's I showed 500 pages, previous 10,000 correct 4000 now 14,000

[powerofeyes]

I would like to thank google on fixing this major error. we are pleased to see google taking webmaster concerns seriously.

In future i would like to see some webmasters stop posting some major conspiracy theories about these type of google problems. First analyze the problem and then post your concerns and theories. webmasterworld will be a great place if wrong theories are stopped.

Google's problems are clearly visible in certain areas. Don't relate these type of major problems with other website ranking problem.

[RichTC]

Whats all this "like to thank GG, like to thank Google" Bull S!

They stuffed a lot of websites big style with this, many are still not fully recovered.

In the UK one of our sites is still supplemental - im not sure which data centres you are looking at but for four sites in our sector i dont see any major change yet thats for sure!

Some of these sites represent MAJOR UK companies, they are not playing at it!

First off the problem needs fully restoring 100% before anyone "jumps for Joy" and secondly this whole issue proves that Google remains a high risk business partner for Ad words due to its comstant desire to keep changing the mix in order to dominate and increase revenue and its demonstration that at the flick of a switch can make a major inpact to an authority sites position in the market

Until this blows over and is fully restored im not confident with Google currently i have to say

[gford]

One of my sites is still in SH, thank god its just a minor site of mine.

But I agree with the previous poster. Why do we thank Google? Google has been nothing but a mess for 6 months now and its tiring.

[asher02]

Has anyone fully recoverd yet?

My site was 116 in SH now showing 362 instead of 11,900 and many many missing pages that did not show on serps yet.

[The_Adam]

Anyone hit on March 8th recovered?

No change here at all. :-(

[The_Adam]

For me:

March 8th - Not recovered even 0.01%.

:-(

[powerstar]

i see pages coming back on going...

[powerofeyes]

Whats all this "like to thank GG, like to thank Google" Bull S!
They stuffed a lot of websites big style with this, many are still not fully recovered.

P.S: Google doesn't wow me anything. Ofcourse our sites depend on organic traffic but that is just a great benefit google is providing us. If google looses our sites I have reason to be concerned because I lost organic traffic but that doesn't mean google should send me organic traffic. That is their wish. I personally thank google because they are concerned of people's voices experiencing free organic traffic.

Google gives us business but I don't pay them for our organic rankings. Even couple of our sites didn't fully recover but i am not greedy and can live with whatever I get for free.

[optimist]

50% recovered now for indexed pages. Pages back in have no rankings.

[bobmark]

I wouldn't get too carried away with the thanks.

I just saw a Google Canada search in my instant logs that delivered a nice high SERP for information that has been gone from my index page since August, 2005 (and, of course, the page was supplemental too).

"Google! Delivering the most relevant third quarter 2005 search results in the first quarter 2006!"

[quarryshark]

Today I'm up from 379 pages (yesterday)to 694. Thats about 95% indexed (normally) and some of my search terms are back this AM.
Looks much better. Cautiously optimistic.

[replicant3000]

MBACH Said:

1. All live pages of your site excluding your home page have been dropped in the BD datacenters.

2. When checking site:mysite.com in a BD datacenter, your home page is the first listing followed by supplemental listings that aren't even live pages in your site? Or once were live listings? Some of the supps I have no idea how google would even find without scouring the root of the public directory in my web server!

3. When checking google.com for a keyword you rank high in, it shows up sometimes, hit refresh and it's gone, however when checking the cache, it appears that it is staying fairly fresh and the cache date is increasing each day?

Every symptom you describe is also happening to me. I've dropped off of Google comepletely, where before I was #1 for several major keywords related to the industry I serve. During this blackout I'm re-optimizing my site, and working on bettering my placement on MSN and Yahoo! search.

Has anyone thought about approaching the press/new media about this? Google is a hot news topic right now, and the media loves it when a big boy screws up. This is one major "frak up" on Google's part.

[g1smd]

A large number of supplemental results that have been URL-only for many many months (as they point to pages that have been 404 for about 9 months), have now suddenly gained a title and description (only in BD indexes). The cache that it links to is from June 2005, or earlier. These results should be dropping out, not doing this!

[Abigail]

From where I sit, it is getting worse - this cr*p supplemental THING is spreading accross more datacenters - I have had a few hits this morning from Google - all of those on pages no longer existing for over a year. But, hey, it's the first Google traffic I have seen in days, so I guess I am supposed to be happy, right?

[Nadir]

I have add issues with a few sites but it seems to be ok now.

[Armi]

For my site NOTHING changed -> only the main site + Supplementals.

[HappyIan]

I run a nationwide site that experienced all of the symptoms documented in this thread. Our homepage is the only one not showing as "supplemental.

Two questions for the group:

1) Our problems started February 18th. Does that synch up timing wise with the beginning of your problems?

2) Has anyone been able to identify the cause? None of our top four competitors have experienced these issues.

[gcc_llc]

Abigail,

I'm in the same boat. This morning it did get worse. It was slowly getting better over the last few days and last night almost 70% of the DC's were showing fresh results (900k pages indexed) with no supps. As of this morning that has completely reversed and now its 70% showing supp results (25,900 results).

[tedster]

Hello HappyIan, and welcome to the forums.

Yes, that timing lines up. The cause is some mysterious back-end problem at Google as they roll out their new infrastructure -- they call it Big Daddy. No one has seen anything specific that a site owner can do or indeed any commonalities across the affected domains.

However, there is an official Google rep on the forum (GoogleGuy) and he posted last week that they think they see where the problem is and are beginning a fix. He hoped that at least the beginnings of that fix would be visible by Monday -- and indeed some people are seeing positive changes even today, Sunday.

That's a beginning -- a full fix will take a while longer, I'm sure.

[JuniorOptimizer]

I had 28,000 pages return today, but no increase in rankings.

[bobmark]

By choosing to "go live" with an extremely flawed algo/index, Google has likely forfeited whatever remaining trust they had in the webmaster community. The cause of the "bug" is likely error; the fact they chose to roll it out and leave it there despite what should have been virtually instant knowledge of the problems (if not foreknowledge) says a lot about their indifference to the economic survival of their content providers.

And I do not believe this is in the least OT.

[icedowl]

This morning I'm back in SH after looking like I was coming out of it yesterday. Pages shown as supplemental are current pages, at least on the first 25 result pages. Out of roughly 850 actual site pages, only 17 do not show as supplemental. Those 17 pages are not the oldest pages of the site, nor are they the newest. Site is pure content, totally white hat.

I'm in the Pacific Time Zone, located just a few hundred miles northeast of Google's home. My default DC shows as 72.14.203.99. Results show a total of 1,550 pages, nearly double the actual number of site pages.

It's so very upside-down. :(

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