Supplemental club: Big Daddy coming - Part 1

W'sup with google?

[Crush]

Carrying on from here:

[webmasterworld.com...]

and here

[webmasterworld.com...]

A lot of members are seeing huge sites going supplemental. One of our main sites lots all rankings and 200,000 + pages disappeared and now we are left with 19k useless results. This could be a goof or it could be a new round of penalties. If you have had your site reduced to the 'sup index lets here about it and compare notes.

[nickied]

the good and the bad. at least the duplicate page counts have gone away. happened fairly recently, about within a month, don't know exact date. now returning 1640 pages which is about right. yourcache still reporting 11k + on some DCs. at same time everything has gone supplemental but 2 pages: main page and one other. these have a Feb cache. checking the supplementals, i find at least 6 old cache dates. one going back to last Jan. ('05). think I may have found a late '04 as well. 301 in place so no issues with www vs. non-www.

[nickied]

ellio:

>>Matt Cutts please blog that an update/re-indexing will happen soon?<<

just checked his blog. could not find mention of old cache dates. anyone find mention?

[gardener]

This is not across the board - all of the pages in our 800 plus page site are now in supplemental - except our main index page, but our major competitor is unaffected. He has a framed site.
(We use only original content on our site and have been online for several years.)

[powerstar]

it must be a penalty... such a big mistake effecting so many sites how could it be?

[Armi]

"it must be a penalty..."

For my pages I see no any reason. Why should Google do without these pages und show old supplementals?

[powerofeyes]

At the end of the day a lot of sites seem to have just 1 page listed now in the normal Google search.

Exactly, search for search engine optimization and use site:. Most of the sites just have their homepage left all other pages had dropped up or their old pages are back as supplemental results and google is still keeping big daddy live almost in all DCs.

So they think end users are not affected. I am personally affected badly by recent google results. It's difficult to find good articles, tools etc, since most of the high quality sites pages are gone.

[seochristine]

Is it true that sites those had their home page cannonical issues have been penalized in the BD and its followers.
Even my site has its HP exactly ok and in place for all the keywords, but all the internal pages around 8000 of them have all been supplemented.
What I see is more and more DC's reflecting the BD results, and we are sinking!
Is it really a penalty, or is it temporary shifting of the index.
Hi G1smd
What do u suggest bout the supplemental listings?
Can they come back to the index?

[King of Bling]

Some observations...

- 4 yr old site / PR6
- Hand coded, nothing funny seo-wise
- 3,060 Supplemental pages (odd, as I think only have 2,000ish)
- Cache dates as old as January 2005 & old screenshot
- Unique Visitors down by 60-70% but heavy spidering (or something). This began mid-Feb
- AdSense impressions way down
- Pages do exist currently and have not been 301'd
- Approx 20% of our competition has also gone "Supplemental"
- Primary KW search dropped us to #36 from #16 (49 million results)
- Not all of our sites have been hit, though

It's gonna be a bumpy ride, mon!

[powerofeyes]

Is it true that sites those had their home page cannonical issues have been penalized in the BD and its followers.

that is myth number 740. Only one thing I wan't to say. The recent drop out of pages of almost 50% of sites is a problem with google. I recommend not to panic at this situation and wait till google solves its problem.

remember the legitimate pages of your sites are the ones that is dropped. Your good pages are NOT MADE SUPPLEMENTAL.

The pages that are currently showing for site: for sites affected are pages which once might have existed on the server or got caught in duplicate content issue. Nothing to worry as of now.

[g1smd]

The content of the previous version of a page will be returned as supplemental, and the content of the current version OF THE SAME URL will usually be returned as a normal result.

[Ledfish]

My site has been affected by whatever is going on. All pages supplemental except homepage.

On my site, most pages share a common template, header logo and navigation.

When I look at all the pages that are now listed as supplemental, they are listed as all almost the same identical size (28K) even though the are really quite different in size.

Is it possible that this is some kind of a page similairity glitch? Do others that are experiencing this problem use a common page template for your pages? Is it possible that someone has accidentally turned the page similairity content nob up so high that those with common template pages are being affected even though similairity may not be all that high? Is it also possible that it is only affecting those that don't serve the common template element from a CSS file?

I have looked at some of my competitors sites that use a common template for most pages and most of them do not appear to be suffering from this problem, so it is not an across the board thing, so something has to be causing this to happen to some site while not causing it on other sites.

This type of problem makes me wonder about the Google mantra "Design your site for your visitors and not for the search engines" It occurs to me that while Google is saying this, they are also forcing those of us that want to be even half decently ranked to design our sites to please Google.

[powerofeyes]

I see that as a very rare case. Mostly its because of duplicate internal or external pages or pages without any links from other sites or internal pages.

[leeds1]

I have template headers and footers for navigation

but there should be enough text on each page for them not to be supps

however, it could be they have turned the dup content filter up a notch

in 2004 when the dup content thingy first came around I got blasted...and then came back

so could be that

who knows

[gardener]

We use a template navigation bar on most major pages, but all pages, even those without the navigation bar, are now supplemental.(except the index)

[Dayo_UK]

It could be something like a duplicate penalty etc.

But the main reason why pages go supplimental is that they are not getting crawled - not necessarily that the pages are of a poor quality, duplicates etc - always has been the case.

If the pages then get crawled and cached again the page no longer is supplimental - even if none of the onpage content has changed.

So to me it seems like a crawling issue - we know that the Big Daddy was largely a Mozilla Googlebot crawled index - perhaps there are issues with this crawl and Google are still working on this behind the scenes.

Some sort of progress report from G would be nice - but I doubt we will get one.

[bwnbwn]

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What the heck is going on if this is supplemental results what is

Same page same everything yet they are not supplemental and I am with original content. My whole site is except for home page. Traffic slammed and these coming to the top.

I think the reason for allot of this supplemental results is

I did find several scrapers and hijackers hitting my site and it really looks as this is the reason for the supplemental hit.

Boy has Google opened the door for honest web sites if this is the case. That post with the

?track=knoodle

this is a hijacker find out how it is set up were it is coming from as Google has opened the door for this to happen and it really looks wide spread...

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[trinorthlighting]

Are all your pages that are going supplemental have adsense advertisements on it?

[leeds1]

some do, but not all

[Ledfish]

"Are all your pages that are going supplemental have adsense advertisements on it? "

I don't think this has anything to do with Adsense. We do not have adsense on our site at all.

[trinorthlighting]

What is the average size in kb for each page? I noticed my smaller pages (Repair parts) that do not have a lot of content went supplemental.

[textex]

We have only our index listed. Other pages are not even supplemental. Is this occuring with anyone else?

[trinorthlighting]

It is hit and miss for me for pages going supplemental. My website total size is 376 MB and I had a google crawl last night of 76MB which was very deep and hard. So who knows, I am seeing page rank updates on some of my pages and some new pages being indexed and some old pages going supplemental.

[Steph_R]

I did some research and found that some jerk copied my entire site -- every single page.

Could I have been hit with a duplicate content penalty because of this jerk? Could this be the reason my pages are all now supplemental?

[HiltonHead]

Welcome to the club. My entire site has been supplemental for over a year and traffic has been zilch. Perhaps I was caught up in the test phase and
it is now being implemented.
When you think the world has turned its back on you take another look - Big Daddy, the master of disaster
is lurking

[textex]

This supplemental thing is very wide spread. Someone copying your site is not the reason.

I think we are going to see some more changes.

Again I ask...is anyone only seeing their index page listed? All of our other pages are not even supplemental.

[Dayo_UK]

textex - I have not seen this.

Is your site new?

Does it have noarchive or anything like that?

Mozilla Googlebot is really pounding away today on my site - but I have no faith in this crawler.

HiltonHead

Why do you think you may be supplimental?

Hijack, dup content, canonical - or dont know?

[edited by: Dayo_UK at 3:55 pm (utc) on Mar. 3, 2006]

[textex]

Dayo,
No my sites are 4+ years.

Strangly, all of my newer sites that had 301 set up from the time they were 'live' are all unaffected.

[angiolo]

I have few sites showing supplemental results.

Few considerations:

- These sites do not use any tricks
- These sites did not do a link campaign
- these sites are genuine sites: some of them gained PR....
- These sites are a little bit suffering in rankings ( 10 % less in Google).

Only few "common" elements: they all recently changed hosting.

The hosting was different for all of them: different initial hosting, different new hosting.

Maybe google is considering the "age" of a site with reference to the last IP.

Maybe is only a temporary glitch ( I hope so )...

[powerofeyes]

Again I ask...is anyone only seeing their index page listed? All of our other pages are not even supplemental.

If you don't have any supplemental pages then it is good news. you don't have any useless pages on your site according to google. SO is your homepage still ranking well. For all the sites affected their HOMEPAGE is still doing amazingly well with rankings. Their homepage ranking never changed a bit even after dropping all other pages from the index.

[textex]

My rankings are crap, the same as they were before.

Obviously, I am concerned about the status of the rest of my site.

What I also find strange that no one else is experiencing a 'homepage only' phenom, and yet this is happening to almost all of my sites.