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PR Update - April 2007

     

sandpetra

12:06 am on Apr 28, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Looks like it's on....

Seeing movement on a couple of sites

reseller

10:05 pm on May 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Folks

Never lose faith in Google's engineers. They will for sure fix the TBPR. It might be more complicated operation than we think.

Meanwhile we should be careful on judging any site's situation or parameters based on the TBPR, IMO.

Rlilly

11:36 pm on May 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

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The PR update is probably not complete, in Webmaster Tools it is showing:

Your page with the highest PageRank
April: Data is not available at this time.

DXL

10:28 am on May 4, 2007 (gmt 0)

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My own company's site results have been bizarre this last month. I have a 30 page site with unique content, for years the homepage had been PR5 for years and almost all the interior pages were PR4.

Just over a month ago, the PR value of all my pages dropped to PR1-PR2 save for my contact and home pages. The April update rolls around, and now my PR5 homepage is PR2, and all the internal pages jumped back up to PR3-PR4. All I really care about is the SERPs, but nobody is going to want to trade links with me if they immediately notice that my homepage is PR2 :(

karamkshetra

1:10 pm on May 4, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Yes it's PR update..... Yipeeeeeeeee.

My website got all internal links PR 4 from 3 and 2.

But few got -1 and -2 also... it looks like a mix change... some ups and some downs.

Regards,
Karamkshetra

kostej

1:35 pm on May 4, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I have to admit, our sites were hit very badly during this TBPR update. Almost every page lost one level of TBPR, many deep-level pages even show no PR at all (gray bar). However, I observe the same on many competitor websites in my niche. PR lessened, deep pages with no PR whatsoever. Strangely, the only websites not hit by this are the ones who recently bought some very high PR links. I hope the weekend brings me some green-bar happiness...

pageoneresults

2:30 pm on May 4, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Meanwhile we should be careful on judging any site's situation or parameters based on the TBPR, IMO.

At any time.

The public toolbar PR has been unreliable for quite some time now.

PR is continually updated, we just don't see it in the toolbar. It appears that Google have four (04) TBPR updates a year and we just went through Round 2, there are two more to go before 2008. ;)

For those of you who experienced an increase in PR, did that also equate into an increase in visitors?

Pass the Dutchie

6:16 pm on May 4, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Its does not seem random enough to be unintentianal. Most people are reporting their sites, which have held a steady PR for years, be reduced by 1. Could be a reduction of PR calculation accross the board. I hope this is the case as it applies to all.

Anyway we wont know how this affects the SERPS as major SERP updates tend to take place a month or so after PR alteration.

lordpercy

7:05 pm on May 4, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Unbelievable!

My main site was dropped for 30 days in March / April and finally we came back, this seems to be a yearly thing with google.

Checked this morning and we are gone again! for gods sake Big G what are you playing at?

Yours losing faith fast

LP

reseller

10:07 pm on May 4, 2007 (gmt 0)

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lordpercy

Checked this morning and we are gone again!

Do you mean your site de-indexed?

tedster

11:28 pm on May 4, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I have the same question as reseller, lordpercy. Do you mean gone from the top positions, or do you mean your site is removed and doesn't even show up for a site: operator query.

matrix_neo

9:05 pm on May 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Is the PR update over and confirmed?

reseller

9:20 pm on May 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

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matrix_neo

It hasn't been confirmed by Google.

However, changes in TBPR values have been noticed. Only Google knows whether its over or not.

lordpercy

11:46 pm on May 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Ahh sorry , yes gone from SERPS but still in the index, lost 90% of G traffic again! Did mean to post this onto the running serps thread but must have hit the wrong "reply to" button.

Strange to get whacked so quickly in sucsession, normally only get stung once per year.

JoeSinkwitz

2:40 am on May 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Lordpercy,

I think you might want to read some of the recent issues on the 950 thread: [webmasterworld.com...]

Goobao

6:00 am on May 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

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My sites' PR were added 1-2

nadia

6:38 am on May 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

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My site also Pr drop down from 6 and now PR 4 , Anyone have any idea why my site drop down? Any suggestions?

Thanks
nadia

tedster

7:06 am on May 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

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At least two possibilities:

1. In between the January PR update and now, Google made a significant change about how links are "weighted" - Several Google reps mentioned this, so it's not a guess. This shift in "weighting" could have involved a change of how, when and where PR gets passed.

2. The PR in this update is buggy (I know of a previous PR9 that fell to PR6 - that smells buggy to me)

matrix_neo

2:07 pm on May 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Reseller, thanks for the conformation.

The PR in this update is buggy (I know of a previous PR9 that fell to PR6 - that smells buggy to me)

Ditto, Even my experience is that PR update is not up to my expectation, atlease 80% sites have seen pr reduced by one, and few sites are reduced by two or three, all sites have goodlinks, not a single off topic link, though I understand over all link value has been reduced b'cos of different measures taken by google. Like reduced blog, forum link values, newly added nofollow tags, misunderstood paid links and so on (all possibilities based on my assumptions ;), I think some link data is missing or the cut off date for updation is arround feb 15 or before.

AustrianOak

2:53 pm on May 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

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PR is still O. Went from PR4-5. Now, also, no cached date is showing up, no backlinks is showing up, no site info is showing up. All happened on the same day.

Hits have fallen, so there has been a visible effect.

Oak

netmeg

3:47 pm on May 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I think there's still some bugs in the system. I have a bunch of pages with greyed out toolbars (they're still ranked well and pulling in traffic) and my GWT account still doesn't have any highest ranking page for May (and for that matter, claims that April data is not available at this time) Either they're not finished, or it's messed up somehow.

inactivist

8:53 pm on May 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

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My main 'corporate' site home page and a few other pages have gone up from 4 to 5. :D

Some other sites (weak ones, to be sure) dropped from 3 to 2
My other major site home page stayed the same (4)

reseller

10:20 pm on May 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Folks

Pls. keep in mind that all those TBPR figures could by anything in random at present. Its Google National Lottery for Good Causes, you may say :-)

Honestly, if our friends at the plex aren't going to fix the TBPR soon, they may be kind to do the one right thing to save the reputation of Google:

Disable the TBPR until its fixed

1script

3:23 pm on May 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

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@ AustrianOak:

Is this the same site you have -30 penalty trouble with? My -30 site you know about also lost PR and backlinks in this update. In fact, the forum section even shows PR bar greyed out.
I'd be most interested to learn if there is a link between the two issues.

reseller

3:38 pm on May 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Hi Folks

I have just noticed that our good friend Matt Cutts (who is on vacation) has been generous to answer today on his blog [mattcutts.com] few questions related to this thread.

As you see, Matt has confirmed a TBPR update a week or two ago.


- Yup, there was a toolbar pagerank update a week or two ago.

- I think Adam said that he was willing to investigate reports of problems. I've passed on 1-2 sites to the toolbar folks to check into, but for the most part it was a relatively normal toolbar pagerank update.

......etc

Thanks, Matt. Much appreciated.

sandpetra

5:59 pm on May 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

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If it wasn't for a lot of complaints here I would have thought "relatively normal toolbar pagerank update" too.

WW_Watcher

7:06 pm on May 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

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IMHO It is not a "Normal" TBPR update, I have, and have seen way too many pages that are now greybar, pages that had TBPR before this update. If G has lost the PR information on these pages I have, and have seen, then the current calculation for pages that display TBPR is no longer correct.

I have seen no change of reffered G traffic on the pages I have with the greybar, nor any big changes in the SERPS, so it may just be a loss of data for TBPR, and not real PR.

Back to Watching,
WW_Watcher

matrix_neo

7:14 pm on May 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

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If it wasn't for a lot of complaints here I would have thought "relatively normal toolbar pagerank update" too.

I definetely have a different opinion, this update may be under control, without major bugs as they claim. But for sure in this update majority of the websites have lost 1 or 2 PR instead of expected growth, PR is not calculated anymore in the same manner, possibly some more ingrediants are added to the calculation.

thecityofgold2005

7:51 pm on May 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

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#1: Why are you all so obsessed with PR? Especially toolbar PR. It's like 2002 all over again.

#2: It's fairly obvious that Google is devaluing a lot of links, those that it thinks are spammy networks or paid links. This is why PR (for whatever it is worth) is generally falling. Loads of the spam links are being discounted! Great!

reseller

9:22 pm on May 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

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thecityofgold2005

#1: Why are you all so obsessed with PR? Especially toolbar PR. It's like 2002 all over again.

SEOes as well as Savvy webmasters know the whole story about TBPR and PageRank.

However, its the clients and sites owners who give the TBPR and PageRank more importance than they deserve. So maybe intensive educations of clients and site owners might or might not help :-)

shallow

4:50 am on May 12, 2007 (gmt 0)

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>>It's fairly obvious that Google is devaluing a lot of links, those that it thinks are spammy networks or paid links.

My home page rank, which has been a 6 for several years, dropped to 5. Should I be worried?

It is because I'm using text-link ads? Except for one advertiser that I've had on my site for over a year, the new text ads have been on my site for only about four months.

Thank you for any information. I'm a website owner, not a developer, so I don't follow a whole lot of this stuff.

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