Forum Moderators: Robert Charlton & goodroi
This is just odd.
The 64.* DC's return about 300 pages from my site.
The 216.* DC's return about 46,000 pages from my site.
And the 66.* return 69,000 pages from my site.
Currently I have about 65,000 pages.
If I go to google.co.uk I get 46,000 pages. If I go to google.com from my US based server I get the same 46,000 results.
It is all very odd and confusing.
[edited by: tedster at 9:56 pm (utc) on Jan. 30, 2006]
I wish to thank Matt Cutts for keeping us informed by posting his latest BigDaddy weather report on his blog.
[mattcutts.com...]
Here is an informative part of what Matt posted:
"In case you don’t want to download a 70 megabyte audio file, here’s the latest on Bigdaddy. Bigdaddy continues to roll out and is now available at three data centers. In addition to 66.249.93.104 and 64.233.179.104, Bigdaddy is now up at 216.239.51.104. We’ve been going through the spam feedback and acting on it, and reading through the general search feedback as well."
Wish you all a great day.
As Reseller said there is a change in number of SERP results. For widgets query, the results on the three DC's are as follows:
[64.233.179.104...] 50,300,000
[64.233.187.104...] 22,200,000
[64.233.187.99...] 22,200,000
Very interesting.
[64.233.179.104...] 50,300,000
[64.233.187.104...] 22,200,000
[64.233.187.99...] 22,200,000
Very interesting. <<<<<
But in my experience the Big Daddy DC's have always returned a much higher total number of results.
Whats new?
"PR updates are completely orthogonal."
Not really come accross the term orthogonal as I dont have a Math background.
However, looking at a definition I suppose it could mean that the PR update happens at a right angle/unrelated? to what we are seeing on BD.
But whatever it seems to indicate that PR is calculated seperately to what is going on at BD.
However, if the main purpose of BD is to follow 301,302s etc then the recalculation of PR I would have thought is vital to any progress we might see on BD.
Apparently MC also said in the chat room for the radio station:-
"You did say in chat when i asked, that there will be some refinement to the results."
So I guess it is still a case of what we are seeing on BD may not be what we get....?
all i know is when the new DC's are fully propogated with the new results, just like most updates but even more in this one, some will love it, some will hate it...
so far it looks like for me and dozens of other spam-free sites i monitor daily it looks like its going to do more harm then good...
indexed page counts are way low ... ive read other forums where some completely spam-free have gone from 17,000 pages to 100 that are appearing on the big daddy dc's...
i'm experiencing similiar results and ive seen so many other sites that are too with the new results...
on the bright side you get matt and others reporting more indexed pages as a result...
You know here's the truth and im sure many of you can relate:
Does it sometimes frustrates you as a webmaster how unpredictable google or others can be... its like the locus of control... google has it...
im sure other webmasters like myself feel the same way about it... we can control our content... our link development.. etc
but at the end of the day one algo shift or new update we cant control it... cant control sandbox or aging...
dont get me wrong the benefits can be huge if you are able to leverage google serp's... and im going to continue to fight the SEO battle and win as ive done many times in the past ... but also instead of trying to predict the latest google update all day i try to maintain some sanity and stick to PPC which I can control pretty much 99.9% of the time..
1st of Feb
[66.249.93.104...]
21st Jan
[64.233.179.104...]
[216.239.51.104...]
What is strange is the 2 DCs with the 21st of Jan cache dates return differing amounts of results...the 216 DC returns the same amount of results as the 66 DC.
I would love to know which cache set a fully live BigDaddy DC is going to use.
I found this really interesting definition of orthogonal - [atis.org...]
If you read further into the associated definitions it gives real insight into Google's thought processes.
I think that they felt that conflicting parameters and data influences were rendering their search results inaccurate. It might be that the new infrastruacture that MC talks about is the process by which relevancy is judged. Almost as if they are compiling a group of results and then subjecting these results to a series of intersecting parameters (held totally seperately from the initial results) ... eventually leading to cleaner and more accurate results. A bit like sculpture ... chipping away at the raw material until your vision of perfection manifests.
This might be the reason why I can't find my incoming links on Google at the moment. It might be that it's to be another orthogonal parameter to be added later.
All the best
Col :-)
Yes, that is a nice definition.
With BD I have always been saying that I think the identification of the Canonical/301/302 has been a lot lot better but pages are not ranking.
I hope that when/if these two signals are combined/updated as in the case of PR internally - then we will see the sites with the Canonical/301/302 problems return.
>>> It might be that the new infrastruacture that MC talks about is the process by which relevancy is judged.
Probably not relevancy at this stage but process of identification with regards to 301/2/Canonicals while avoiding interferance from ranking changes at this stage.
From MC comment I just cant see if he is basically say this paramater has not been applied - he has sort of said that it is a seperate paramater but did not answer the quest. of whether a PR update (internally) has been applied or will be applied (obv. one day it will if it has not already)
