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Now the odd thing is they still have or now have pagerank. In fact two went from a 0 to a 4. (pagerank only shows on the index page)
Now while most of you are reporting losing pagerank but staying in the index I'm seeing the opposite. Gaining pagerank but no longer being ranked or getting Google traffic.
Has anyone else experienced this? Has anyone recovered from this in the SERPS during this update? Any insights?
I have been watching 5 sites with hidden text, all banned in google but gained page rank this last time around. One is a PR7 site.
This proves PR has no effects of being in googles index or not.
Plus, with a lot of the ups and downs we've been seeing the past few days and that are, ahem, "normal" during any infrastructure update, it might be best to wait a few days for things to settle down. Then, check and analyze the situation.
But, you might want to take trinorthlighting's advice and start going over your site, just in case.
And by the way, welcome to Webmaster World.
You can have either a site or pages get banned (removed from index), but I think that when pages are banned it then affects the site in general - you'll still have a green toolbar, but it means nothing if your page(s) are not showing up in a search for unique on-page text/title.
One site had several leading pages go from PR 5-7 to whitebar, but the rest of the site's pages kept their toolbar PR. Other smaller sites kept a toolbar PR of 2-4, with no pages going whitebar.
BUT all sites in question were removed from the SERPs.
The pages that retained toolbar PR kept getting cached, while the pages that went whitebar were removed from the index - i.e., no cache, and first URL only on a site:www.example.com/banned-page.html or a search for [www.example.com/banned-page.html] in Google.
I believe that Google would like us to mistake a page/site with cache/greenbar for "healthy" if it flags it for certain types of spam.
I should mention that my very first website had a PR of 5/10 (homepage) and all other pages were 0/10. After 6-7 months I believe the home page went down to 3/10 and all my other pages had a PR ranging from 3-5. Anyone had a silimar experience? Any thoughts?
You might want to be sure that each of these pages has a unique title element, unique meta description, a solid H1, and a paragraph or two of copy.
Are they really that paranoid of webmasters that they would leave pagerank in an attempt to fool a site owner. Numbers don't lie and that ultimately will be what tips us off. If they actually do think leaving pagerank on a banned site will appease a webmaster who sees no traffic they must think we're braindead.
This should be unsettling for most since I'm seeing this happen to quite a few well designed/written content sites without violating GWG.
I believe it's not a ban but a bug. One site's homepage is still ranking well for its terms - 10 days after all pages were dunmped.
Also I noticed that some pages of the private forum I'm in have PR as well and they are not index either due to authentication requirements before you can assess the content.
Last week my friend logged in into Arizona Multiple Listing Service - which is limited to the service members and requires authentication as well - he could see PareRank on some of the internal pages. Again, pages are not indexed and there is no way a spider can get into the system.
I had a total of 3 sites that had pages dumped by Google (from a few to all except Supplemental) for over 3 weeks.
All are now recovered as of yesterday/today; two are ranking and I expect the third to follow suit.
I hadn't done anything dodgy to them or to their links.
Just another glitch.
I hope you are right and I get back in. I had six of my sites drop completely off the Google index all on the same day. These are sites I had writers make unique content for. It's just now been 3 weeks for me and I still have yet to see any traffic from Google return.
My 3 sites were hit just before Christmas. As with the other bug I noticed (homepage being dropped from the 'regional only' results in regional Googles) there was no common thread. Different hosting, different coding, different markets, different content.
Two days ago they popped back into the index.
I also notice that if Google has problem crawling your site or some pages, they will remove the pagerank of these pages. One of my sites had network problem (web host fault) on Jan 17 and Google could not get access to my homepage. Now the homepage has a PR0 but other inner pages still have PR4. Fortunately, the homepage is still in the main index and ranking has not been changed.
Other people have always said that PR is not associated with ranking and I think it is more so now than ever.