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We have noticed some moderate ranking changes in the past 24 hours, which have reverted to previous ranking positions dating back to the middle of December.
Our rankings are secure, so I am not writing this as a complaint, but as the sharing of an obersvation: there is a new shift occuring right now.
In addition, we have also observed a reduction in the number of double listing "authority rankings" for various sites over the past 2 weeks or so. Many of these previous double rankings were indeed redundant, so this removal of some double listings is a perceived good thing in our opinion, at least in the sectors we watch.
Is anyone else having these same sorts of observatiosn these past 24 hours?
[edited by: tedster at 7:25 pm (utc) on Jan. 5, 2007]
Also noted that we have at least one page where the actual page ( non supplementary index ) is listed with the supplementary on an indent for a search term.
Odd but perhaps indicates "the process" whatever that may be - is still going on - Latent Semantic Indexing perhaps..
My site, like many of you are reporting is now showing the non supplemental pages before the supplementals, but here's a new one for ya... I had a lot of non WWW links out there before cleaning everything up and submitting my cannonical preference to Google Webmaster Tools... well, starting just now a site:example.com showed only 541 URLs, whereas only hours ago it showed over 1500. Then moments later a refresh shows 421. They must be culling out all those non-canonical URLs! a site:www.example.com shows the correct 1660 URLs.
Plus, for a few days they showed "www.example.com/index.asp" in the site: listings, which had me worried... had somebody linked to that? but alas today that URL is gone as it should be.
Old domain names went out of the suplemental - not all pages, but enough to jump from the back 500-600 results up.
At the same time I see a lot of stupid spam ranking - which to me is a clear indicator that whatever is going on, it's not going to stay but for a day-two max.
Our home page still shows stable results, but as I mentioned it has a "jan 2" cache date, when Sitemaps shows Jan 4 and my logs show good crawls every day and it seems that everyone around me has a fresh cache but me - so maybe your home pages will be back shortly.
Whatever is going on - it's HUGE and there is no way of even try and predict anything - I will just shut down the rig and spend some time outside for a couple of days ;)
The same for me, Google now give a pretty list without SP and the home page is now first, all pages have their snippet :)
I check my rankings for 7 keywords, I make a big jump!
It's not has it was before I lose all my rankings, but it's in the good way.
I've jump for near than 220 places per keyword, moving from 300 to 80.
I'me happy, because for 3 special keyword that I work hard and where I never be better than 300, I'me now 70, 79 and 139 on several DC :))
Hope it will continu in this way, for me and of course for you!
Recents Changes : Delete hundred of pages in SP
Very Recents Changes : Delete all Adsense blocks on my website (since 3 days now).
Also there are many pages on some my other sites which have gone supplemental. These pages still exist and are accessible and many contain original content. I just hope this is a glitch and that things will get back to normal soon. I've had my share with ups and downs in rankings but kind getting used to it now.
For all those affected by these changes ie a data refresh I would say, just sit tight and don't do any drastic changes yet because this is something outside our control usually. Just wait for a few days or weeks. It happened to me before that my site was gone for 1-2 months, then was back after and ranking high like it did previously.
What a time to be a dishonest .edu webmaster...one could make a killng (before being fired from the thankless, underpaid job that it probably is).
Is it Christmas again - all supplemental results are gone
I just saw on all sites i watch they have no supplemental results anymore, the serps looks totaly different without this extra text.
Any other seeing this change on google.com
[edited by: tedster at 5:27 pm (utc) on Jan. 9, 2007]
None of my sites has ever been penalized from that, so I think you should consider other factors.
Yes there might be no benefit of interlinking in terms of keywords optimizations, but spreading PR accross the sites is of great benefit in terms of spidering/indexing.
It seems that most if not all (?) of the sites who had pages listed beneath supplementals are now seeing a more normal site:search. This suggests to me that that was merely an unintentional signal to sites that had been caught by a change in the algo.
Was it a new algo? No, probably a turning up of something that has been around a longtime. More people got hit in one go this time hence the fuss. I suspect Google likes to do things in small doses to avoid unwanted ill feeling and they may now have turned it down a bit. Hence a few recovered without doing anything. However, many are still showing all the rankings effect without the 'top heavy supplemental' signal. Because some have suffered with having a few rankings and the rest of the time been buried at 950+ for nearly a year this suggests to me that there is a deliberate agenda. It is no surprise that they turned it up at Christmas... similar things have happened every year.
Is the algo that causes sites to lose huge numbers of rankings and be buried 950+ still alive? Seems to be, I know of one site that hasn't recovered. Other members report the same and more keep appearing.
Is it Google trying to sort out a longterm problem and making a hash of it? Wishfull thinking. There are too few members complaining. Many of the complaints sound like prisoners saying they didn't do anything wrong.... We are seo webmasters and by definition we are to some degree gaming the serps and should expect to get caught out. Inocent victims are probably few and far between, although often very vocal :).
Can you change things to get back? Of course you can. It all depends what you did wrong and to what degree. There is no magic bullit, one person may have several issues while another has a marginal problem that either effects the site or not according to the degree the algo is applied. Matt said there was no new algo, so we are left with the probability that something was turned up and maybe down again. It may not have had the effect they wanted over christmas, but it strikes me as being very controlled in the way it was turned up and down.
Evidence suggests there is no lasting site penalty.... just people who keep getting caught.... again and again. Glitch? Not this time, If you want to be top you have to do good seo or be very lucky, there is no change there. It will never be about the most worthy site automatically being number 1, it will continue to be about luck and/or good judgement. It is predominently a matter of pumping in those plus points and avoiding the minus ones. This time, we have to find the minus ones.
I think if you were caught out this time then it is a clear signal you are very vulnerable to be caught out again... so changes are needed.
Added for cllarification - If your site is showing new supplemental listings or recovered supplemental listings, that is a whole seperate issue to the problem originally discussed in this thread.
[edited by: MHes at 8:14 pm (utc) on Jan. 9, 2007]
However, for some sites if you search www.domain.com that page comes up 2nd or 3rd page. For other sites you come up first, which you would assume to be the correct order of things. If you search for the site www.domain.com, thatís what youíre looking for and that to me would be the most relevant return.
Why would a site that mentions your site come up before the actual site? Would this indicate some sort of problem or weakness with the site?