Forum Moderators: Robert Charlton & goodroi
Over and done with?
All done all through?
In our area, these appear to be the same .9 results, with a few DCs showing the .7 results from a few days ago. Didn't look that deeply though (first 5 pages).
<edit> Sorry, I quoted the 7/9 in the wrong order. Fixed now!
[edited by: LegalAlien at 6:59 pm (utc) on Nov. 10, 2005]
Time to find some old domains... >>>
Actually, why not find out what is different about the new algo and just make some changes to your current site.
Really, if they are saying "this is it" for J3 we can better evaluate how the results are being harvested. I know for myself that our site has been around for 5 years. Some changes were never made because "search was so good" ...in fear of losing our ranking...it is time to find out what the new SEO. Kind of exciting if you think about it.
I have been guilty of DC watching...too much I might add. In doing so I missed when our site started to rank #1 in MSN for MANY keywords. I got so focused on this THING that I didn't think outside the box.
We lost some in this go around, but if we can win once, there is no reason we can't do it again.
Live - Learn - Move On :)
End of pep talk!
I get Google Alerts and find many "scrapper" sites that are linking to me. Why doesn't Google come up with a way for the us to BLOCK these links from being associated with our sites...say if they link to you without permission.
Benefit:
1. Google will know that we did not initiate the "link" to a particular unwanted source, thus not being connected with unwanted sites.
2. It would benefit Google by a) getting more people to use their Google Alerts feature and b) clean up their backlink algo thus their search engine results would be more relevant.
Anyway, my clients are just about fit to be tied. What do I tell them?
That it will come back, but you gotta give it some time. This is the very nature of organic traffic.
Right there is your answer:) You need to become the accumulator. Like amazon became the accumulator in the book industry. Like google became the accumulator in the search industry. Like ebay in the online auction industry. PR PR PR = BRAND BRAND BRAND.
We had a specialised search engine pre bust. Were lucky to lease it out and spend two nice years until the ones that we leased it out too, couldn't afford it anymore.
With the Google monopoly out there SE isn't an option, content is useless so I am still thinking..
How about also asking better questions. You ask better questions you get better answers.
What can I do right now to help my site increase it's income...?
In what ways can I improve such and such about my site today?
In what ways can I create a stronger brand in the future? - What can I do today, tomorrow, for a week...?
What can I do right now to help give my visitors a better experience? What can I do continuously to improve visitor expreience?
You all get the picture.
When you have some answers to your questions do something immediately to fulfill that answer.
cainIV
msg #:85
3. Spammy sites and link spam are about the same. In the end I have seen very little reduction in rank based on reciprocal *themed and unthemed* and inbound purchased link acquisition as measure on about 15 of my sites. I know this was not something that G was destined to target, but it seemed I had jumped the gun in the beginning assuming the drop was associated with trades. In the end, all of our recip linking sites returned to about the same spots. Newer sites were left slightly behind what they were.Any thoughts, and theories?
CainIV, once again, good questions lost in the polemics. I don't think you jumped the gun at all, I think google now has a significantly increased capability to do this detection, but they are mixing it in with other factors, the 3 jagger phases that is. I saw this link filtering very clearly during jagger 1 and 2. Just because google decided not to apply that filter as purely as they initially did does not mean it's not there.
Ankhenaton
msg #:151
Since G delivers the traffic it has full control over who will be top when and how they want it. One employee might be interested in cleaning out some spam as it's his job. But he ain't Google as a whole. He is just an employee.
This is one of the more insightful observations about how corporations actually work internally. And it's confirmed by the apparent annoyance MC is displaying on his blog, what he wanted to happen isn't happening the way he wanted I think. He is only one voice among many in g.
LegalAlien
msg #:155
I've seen it argued here in the past that Google has no responsibility to anyone, but come on! With some 65 percent of the entire world using Google to find what it's looking for, this is serious power.
Google isn't a public library, which does have this type of responsibility. It's a publically held media corporation, whose principle responsibility is to it share holders. If the thought of a corporation holding this amount of control over your access to the information on the web is disturbing to you, it's probably time to start advocating a public search engine, funded by a consortium of state and private interests. Complaining about Google's editorial slant (the serps returned) is like complaining about Time or USA today's editorial slant, there's no difference. Obviously one company having this level of control isn't good, if Yahoo and MSN would start getting more serious about their search offerings long term it would help a lot. Users have a choice, and they are chosing google. That's not google's fault. MSN has as far as I know gained no market share in the last year. That's not Google's fault.
europeforvisitors
msg #:164
Google's job is to serve users, not to keep you or me or the next guy in business--just as reviewers for THE NEW YORK TIMES are paid to serve playgoers or restaurant patrons, not theatrical producers or restaurant owners.
econman
msg #:175
3. Perhaps one of Google's goals in making particular algo changes was to cancel out the "edge" that is given to those site owners who are knowledgeable about SEO. Thus, one would expect WebmasterWorld participants to suffer more than average every time the algos change.
Yes, that's my feeling too.
WebFusion
msg #:183
That's the point the "smart businessmen" are trying to make. Perhaps if people started using the forums as an analytical tool and a place to exchange ideas, as opposed to a support group for the sharing of the "misery" google has inflicted, we would all be better off.
Webfusion, oh, to dream the impossible dream... if we could get the percentage up to even 5% analysis each and every update would be cracked within one week. I shiver to think what would happen if it rose to 10%, Google would have to totally change how it works. But CainIVs, and a handful of others like him, postings will continue to be ignored. Google is safe.
With the Google monopoly out there SE isn't an option, content is useless so I am still thinking.. "
If what you are doing isn't working change your approach. Goes along the line of "never fall in love with your business - it is just a tool - use it until it no longer serves it's purpose then find a new/better that will"
Again ask better questions. It will help focus your mind on what is important as well as open up possibilities that tend to be unseen.
Does that also means that somewhere in Europe secretly a EU Search Engine is under constraction?
And another interesting topic: The second phase of WSIS takes place in Tunis hosted by the Government of Tunisia from 16 to 18 November 2005 [itu.int...]
Will Google Yahoo MSN will govern all searches for how long?
