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Sandbox hypothetical: new site to top 5 in a year?



1:13 pm on Dec 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I was wondering what the general consensus is on a certain hypothetical.

If I where to start a new site, and my goal was to rank in the "top 5" for a SUPER competitive keyword.

Would it be possible to do so within one year span, given the sandbox effect?

Has it been done?


10:49 pm on Dec 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Sure it can, but it won't be cheap.
1. Don't submit your site to Google, let them find it with a link from a PR7 or 8 page.
2. Issue a press release that's actually informative and will get picked up by those interested in your segment (Should cost about 2 thousand dollars). Relase another one every three months for 1 year.
3. Viral marketing campaign but carefully planned. You don't want 10,000 PR0 sites linking to you. Roll it slowly at first, then build speed.
4. Perfect site (compliant html) perfect linking structure, fast.
5. A link buying campaign that actually drives customers to your site, all from PR6 or higher sites and pages. That should run you a good ten thousand dollars or more. Don't start the link campaign until the site is indexed. In other words expose the links to Google in measured fashion of the course of the year.
6. SEO to the level of the average site in the top ten positions.
7. If all the sites are PR7 or above for current SERPs you'll probably have to triple or quadruple your investment.
Easy right?


8:00 am on Dec 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

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good advice.. Thanks!


9:02 am on Dec 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I think you'll find that the "sandbox effect" is less rigid now than it was in the past. But those trust filters are also a lot smarter at spotting unnatural patterns. Your key to success may well come down to how much real buzz you can generate. If you can do that well, your goal is quite achievable, I think


10:40 pm on Dec 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

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pccasino, I'm not sure what you mean by "SUPER competitive", but I have a site that is just over a year old trying to compete for keywords that have the following number of monthly searches.

Keyword 1 -- 900k on Yahoo - assume 9M on Google
Keyword 2 -- 140k on Yahoo - assume 1.4M on Google
Keyword 3 -- 5k on Yahoo - assume 50k on google

I currently rank in Google for those search terms as follows.

Keyword 1 -- #36
Keyword 2 -- #12
Keyword 3 -- #8

I didn't rank at all for any of these keywords until EXACTLY 1 year after my site went up. I'd guess it was the sandbox, filter, trust, whatever that caused it.

This wasn't a problem because I did rank #1 for some 3 and 4 word keywords. I didn't pay for a single link to get there. I simply followed the advice I see on this forum the most. Write good content and try to get back links. If you follow the same advice, you'll rank in the top 10 for enough decent keywords you won't worry so much about the rank for the most competitive keywords. As an example, I now rank in the top 10 for over 40 mildly competitive keywords (500 to 1000 searches a month on Yahoo -- assume 5k to 10k on Google).


11:41 pm on Dec 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

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@ freelistfool

so, how many uniques per day do you get for your sterling efforts , if i may ask


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