Update Jagger, Google Update Oct 18th, 2005

When can we expect a new PR update?

[jretzer]

Continued from here:
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Anyone have any guesses as to when we can expect a new systemwide PR update?

[reseller]

Erku

>>Any update on timing will be greatly appreciated.<<

Jagger2 (nickname Spam Terminator) shall continue until around Wednesday next week where Jagger3 (dealing with Canonicals & Supplemental issues) starts. Then followed by the Flux.

[erny]

I believe the future internet needs
1) a good cleanup from the scam even if we have to collaborate with the Search Engines.
2)-A webmasters union-

[g1smd]

What a great way for Google to track every discussion about this update:

[google.com...]

[reseller]

GoogleGuy & Matt Cutts Feedback of 26th October 2005 regarding Update Jagger ..and more

Hi Folks!

Here are the posts of our kind fellow member GoogleGuy. I have compiled them (together with my post refering to Matt's "Jagger 2 update info" on his blog) for the benefit of further discussion and future reference.

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msg #:307 8:41 am on Oct 26, 2005 (utc 0)

McMohan, good eyes in spotting some changes at 66.102.9.104. I expect Jagger2 to start at 66.102.9.x. It will probably stay at 1-2 data centers for the next several days rather than spreading quickly. But that data center shows the direction that things will be moving in (bear in mind that things are fluxing, and Jagger3 will cause flux as well).

Matt Cutts posted how to send feedback on Jagger1 at [mattcutts.com...]

If you're looking at 66.102.9.x and have new feedback on what you see there (whether it be spam or just indexing related), please use the same mechanism as before, except use the keyword Jagger2. I believe that our webspam team has taken a first pass through the Jagger1 feedback and acted on a majority of the spam reports. The quality team may wait until Jagger3 is visible somewhere before delving into the non-spam index feedback.

If things stay on the same schedule (which I can't promise, but I'll keep you posted if I learn more), Jagger3 might be visible at one data center next week. Folks should have several weeks to give us feedback on Jagger3 as it gradually becomes more visible at more data centers.

[edited by: GoogleGuy at 8:53 am (utc) on Oct. 26, 2005]

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msg #:313 8:57 am on Oct 26, 2005 (utc 0)

Happy to try to help, reseller. If I find out more of use, I'll let you know.

Dayo_UK, the optimistic part of me wants to say mid next week. But I've learned not to make promises. :)

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msg #:321 9:08 am on Oct 26, 2005 (utc 0)

Dayo_UK, yes, sometimes it can mean flux within a data center. It's a bit involved, so I'll leave it at a high level. :)

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msg #:324 9:15 am on Oct 26, 2005 (utc 0)

McMohan, if you see spam, I'd report it now with jagger2. If it's canonicalization or ranking or supplemental, I might hold off to see how jagger3 looks for you.

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msg #:328 9:22 am on Oct 26, 2005 (utc 0)

steveb, I think I know the spam sites that you're talking about. Folks here enjoyed looking into those. It's always interesting to see how the pendulum moves between some of the shortcuts that people try.

[edited by: GoogleGuy at 9:22 am (utc) on Oct. 26, 2005]

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msg #:332 9:25 am on Oct 26, 2005 (utc 0)

zeus, that doesn't surprise me. I think we decided to do a re-export of PageRank so that msn.com wouldn't worry that should have more green pixels; I wouldn't be surprised if a minor refresh of backlinks was included in that re-export.

I'm not 188% sure that's what happened, but I noticed that www.msn.com returns a PR9-ish now, so I'm extrapolating my guesses here. Your comment matches what I would expect to see if that happened.

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msg #:338 9:37 am on Oct 26, 2005 (utc 0)

normasp, there's a way to tell us about the hidden text. Just do a spam report (search on Google) and use the keyword jagger2.

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msg #:340 9:38 am on Oct 26, 2005 (utc 0)

Hey all, I'm heading to bed--getting close to 3am my time, and they still expect to see me at work tomorrow. :)

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msg #:342 9:41 am on Oct 26, 2005 (utc 0)

'Night. :)

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msg #:352 10:31 am on Oct 26, 2005 (utc 0)

Hi Folks

A sunny great day with much of informative update Jagger feedback from GoogleGuy. And once again.. thanks GG for being with us.

And wish to mention that Matt has published on his blog more about Update Jagger. Thanks Matt.

Jagger 2 Update Info
[mattcutts.com...]

Good luck to all.

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[Erku]

Reseller thank you.

So, you are saying that by Wednesday the Jagger 2 will be done. But will this be gradual, or everything will happen on Wednesday morning, or Thuesday evening?

Please explain Jagger3 "(dealing with Canonicals & Supplemental issues)"

What is Canonicals and Supplemental issues?

thanks.

[MrSpeed]

Get used to the idea.. Human input in serps is here and it is here to stay.

Personally I think Google should develop a system for ranking web pages based on the democratic nature of the web. The more sites that link to a page the better it is. You could almost think of a link as as a vote

.....oh wait

[Erku]

Does anyone know how many DCs google have? And how many of them already use Jagger 2?

Thank you.

[webpro00801]

Isn't it standard practice (in an Apache conf file) to have www.mysite.com as the server name and mysite.com (without the www) as a server alias?
I have had this since day one - never experienced anything bad until this update...

>> Is there a way to fix Canonical problem on your self? <<
>> I just did a site:domain.com -www and I see that my home page is listed. <<
For a site using www.domain.com for the content, it is normal for the single domain.com entry to appear as a URL-only listing, simply because it exists. I wouldn't worry about it - unless the entry also has a title and description too. If there is a title and description then you really do have a problem.

[erny]

Erku
go to
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and find all you need.

[JuniorOptimizer]

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