Forum Moderators: Robert Charlton & goodroi
Isn't it a clear demonstration that Google is so unsure of their algorithm that they have to put up a penalty on new sites.
If they knew how to filter good vs bad/spammy sites they would not have to do hat right? It would not make any sense.
And you are complaining? Sheesh Robin...17th I would be very happy with 17th. I can't get into the top 100..heck...can't get in the top 300. Complete white hat. Web site for commercial business. No adwords type stuff. Likewise top 3 in yahoo and msn.
I think that's one reason they started it, but along the way they realized, hey, this has some advantages, first of all, spammers have to wait to get results on new domains, hurts innocent bystanders too of course, but what's 6-8 months in the greater scheme of things?
But second, they learned this pre ipo, ipo, and post ipo, that adwords income, it just keeps going up, it's really not hurting all that many people, the new sites will come out eventually, so it's not like we've killed them or anything.
Then the stock went way too high, that's not google's fault, that's retarded investors, irrational stock market etc, any significant income drop would make it plummet to where it actually should be, maybe 20, 25 to 1 P/E. That's several billion dollars down the toilet. I'd like to see just one of you guys throw away, deliberately, several billion dollars. For real, not rhetoric, I mean you make a decision, one way you get to keep several billion, the other way you lose 3/4 of it. Google guys aren't saints, they are people just like anyone else, they make the same decisions most of you would make.
[edited by: 2by4 at 3:16 am (utc) on Oct. 19, 2005]
I need to go to bed before I waste someone in real life. Damn I'm hot. I can't even focus on my Sopranos DVD...
[edited by: Yippee at 3:36 am (utc) on Oct. 19, 2005]
Why not make sites that don't rely 100% on google to succesful?
Most of us do that, but Google is the 800 pound gorilla of search and therefore has the BIGGEST responsibility to the webmaster community. They come through in many respects ("meet the engineers" at WebmasterWorld and SES, conference parties, Google Dance, Matt's Blog, great free software.
However, the could and I think will soon provide much better and more specific guidance when sites are filtered heavily as is happening with increasingly frequency to many excellent sites.
It's in EVERYBODY'S interest to advise good sites where they went wrong. The game is fun but it's not as productive as a strong, cooperative relationship that Google (and Yahoo and MSN) still shun.
True, then relying on one single source is dangerous as dangerous as relying solely on Google traffic.
If their marketing dpt believe that branding and past glorious times can save their business of a leak in their audience they might be wrong.
I just feel the whole google stuff so dishonest: they make things for the opensource community because it's one hell of a way to market their brand and get young audience used to their engine, they even said Yahoo can't have a larger index than us because WE could not make it so nobody can. I even read somewhere that no-one at Google (unlike at MS and Y!) is using another engine ...
All of this doesn't sound right to my ears, and most of us have understood by now that Google is not better than Microsoft, all about money. But since Google keeps on trying to show off like the good guys who don't care about $$$ it makes it very dishonest.
But I'm more interested in this update, what people are seeing, how their sites have been affected, what commonalities you see, what differences, that's the point of these threads, though it's fun to drift offtopic now and then.
The thing I'm especially interested in is if anyone can see any connections between bourbon activity and this new change.
