Whats the difference between 'penalised' and 'banned'

[ideavirus]

Hi,

I am a little confused...

In the google index...

Does Penalised means that the site is pushed down the index and banned means that the site is completely removed from the index?

Thanks

[vikram lashkari]

hi,
Ya your are right, Penalized means you are but down in minus in SERPs. One of site have know was ranking #1 or #2 position but as they were over optimized they were penalized to #-30 and they are on #31 to #35 position

About banned site I donot have seen my self any site being banned but what all information i have about SEO and all those reading i have done i can say ban is u r removed from SERPS.

thanks
vikram

[ddww804]

"ban is u r removed from SERPS"
Yes,and the PR of banned sites drops to zero.

[ideavirus]

thanks for the posts.

What can we say about a site with PR6 but the site is way below down in the index may be 50th or 100th page?

Is this a sign of penalizing? Well... this site was never seen in the top first few pages before either.
So does this site qualify for not being optimised properly or over optimised and penalised?

Thanks

[vikram lashkari]

Is this a sign of penalizing? Well... this site was never seen in the top first few pages before either.
So does this site qualify for not being optimised properly or over optimised and penalised?

hmmm seems to be really interesting, how old is your domain.please if you can let us know

thanks

[edited by: tedster at 8:46 pm (utc) on Oct. 26, 2006]

[ideavirus]

The domain and the site associated with it is almost more than 5 years old. Well, it has a PR 6 with the current update.

Thanks

[jetteroheller]

Better to be banned than penalized.

I was banned last December for 2 weeks.

2 weeks 80% less earnings gives 1.6 weeks earnings lose

I was penalized from June 27th to September 30th

13 weeks 70% less earnings 9.1 weeks earnings lose

[ideavirus]

I got a thought as to why my site spages are very deep...

I have not put a 302 redirect from bluewidgets.com to www.bluewidgets.com because of which google is thinking that i am putting dpulicate content.

Is this true? and any other reasons?

Thanks

[Marcia]

Not a 302, a 301.

[ideavirus]

How do i do a 301 redirect?

Thanks for any help.

[jetteroheller]

How do i do a 301 redirect?

By ading to Your .htaccess

# FollowSymLinks is needed for mod_rewrite, without you'll get
# 100% 403 errors
Options +FollowSymLinks
RewriteEngine On
RewriteBase /

RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^www.example.com
RewriteRule ^(.*) http://example.com/$1 [R=301,L]

[ideavirus]

Okay this is what I should put in my .htaccess file?

Options +FollowSymLinks
RewriteEngine On
RewriteBase /

RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^www.example.com
RewriteRule ^(.*) http://example.com/$1 [R=301,L]

Can i append this to my existing .htaccess file, if any?

Does this code redirect from example.com to www.example.com? or the other way round?

Also what is this?....

Options +FollowSymlinks
RewriteEngine on
rewritecond %{http_host} ^domain.com [nc]
rewriterule ^(.*)$ [domain.com...] [r=301,nc]

Is it the same as what you sugegsted or any better to this?

Thanks and Cheers

[jetteroheller]

my posted code is from www to not www
Your code is the other way from not www to www

The rest seems to be the same

[walkman]

>> Better to be banned than penalized.

I would have to agree. When you're banned, after looking for a reason it becomes usually clear as to why. Once fixed, you're in fairly quickly. Now if you get penalized...

[ideavirus]

Well... i am not even sure if the site is penalised or not. Because i have never seen my sites in any of the top pages though i had PR 6 for a long time now.

Now, how do i redirect /index.php also to www.example.com?

Can I use the same piece of code like this...?

Options +FollowSymLinks
RewriteEngine On
RewriteBase /

RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^http://example.com
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^http://www.example.com/index.php
RewriteRule ^(.*) http://www.example.com/$1 [R=301,L]

I have another question...

If my site currently has say...

/ PR 6
http://example.com PR5
/index.php PR5
/index.php? PR5
http://example.com/index.php PR5
http://example.com/index.php? PR4

Now, if I put a 301 redirect for all fo them to say www.example.com... will my PR chnage to a higher value in the next update?

And I hope this will resolve my penalised problem as well, if my site is really penalised.

Thanks

[Right Reading]

The missing factors here are what the keyword you're searching on is and who else ranks for it. It could just be a natural result -- seems unlikely since you're down that far, but you haven't said enough to be sure. Try searching for some unique phrase on your page and see where you fall in the SERPS.

[tedster]

Here are some threads that will give you worthwhile reading:

Supplemental Results - What exactly are they? [webmasterworld.com]
Duplicate Content - Get it right or perish [webmasterworld.com]
Checklist for Sudden Drops in Rank [webmasterworld.com]
Dropped from Google - a checklist to find out why [webmasterworld.com]
Dropped Site Checklist [webmasterworld.com]
The url-only problem [webmasterworld.com]

[M3Guy]

Quote: ddww804 - the PR of banned sites drops to zero

Not always, i know of at least one site that was banned and had all content removed from the index yet still holds it's pr5 index and internal pr

[edited by: tedster at 11:39 pm (utc) on Oct. 30, 2006]