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ryanare

3:55 am on Sep 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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This is to inform that Google update is now ON: Google backlink update. Hoping to see some good results again.

Ryan

MrSpeed

1:51 pm on Sep 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I know that the toolbar PR is a joke but I still would love more frequent updates...I know it's stupid :)

And it's really a joke when webmasters use it to determine if they want to link to you.

It's almost like not joining a gym because you need to lose weight first so you can look good.

plasma

2:01 pm on Sep 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Remember: The higher the TPR, the bigger your P....

Oliver Henniges

2:16 pm on Sep 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Wonder whether meteorologists will now re-date the "end of summer";)

One page launched a few weeks ago now does show PR on 66.102.7.99, so yes: something is going on.

However: A few pages I launched in spring show PR4 for months now, just like my homepage, which I would have expected to climb to PR5. So I doubt this is the end of the story.

Simsi

2:17 pm on Sep 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Remember: The higher the TPR, the bigger your P....

...age?

WiseWebDude

2:37 pm on Sep 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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ALL our sites ARE updating for sure...it is really an update this time. Great news for ALL our sites :)

econman

2:50 pm on Sep 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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This business about Toolbar PR being a joke is itself a joke.

I've seen plenty of evidence that the toolbar data is roughly indicative of google's overall assessment of the importance of a page.

Thus, it comes in handy for many things.

Of course, that doesn't change the fact that there are hundreds of other variables in google's process, or that importance is not the same as relevance, or that global importance may not be crucial in a particular situation, where local importance or trust comes into play.

This is in contrast to the backlink data, which is such a small sample of the true number of backlinks as to be worthelss, as far as I can tell.

WiseWebDude

3:02 pm on Sep 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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To make your Google toolbar check Pagerank on one of the updated data centers, drill down to the following file on your computer:

My Computer/Drive_C/Windows/System32/drivers/etc/hosts

Note: NOT the HOSTS.ICS file... Just simply the "hosts" file.

Open the "hosts" file in WordPad and insert the following line at the bottom:
66.102.7.104 toolbarqueries.google.com

netmeg

3:30 pm on Sep 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I don't see any changes as yet.

petehall

4:07 pm on Sep 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Certainly no update on any of those IPs for me.

is300

4:16 pm on Sep 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I just went from a PR7 to a PR6. Not Happy at All.

petehall

5:15 pm on Sep 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hardly surprising with the number of PR1/2 pages pushed into supplemental index recently.

I presume links from pages in the supplemental index are now completely worthless...

WolfLover

5:21 pm on Sep 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Yeah. I'm thrilled about this. A 2 month old domain with PR5... I'm delighted. Proof that the backlinks from the old domain name that I 301'd are working and being carried over.

Is this true that if you have a domain name that has a lot of backlinks, and if you 301 the domain to another domain, even though it is a new domain, it will bring your PR way up like that?

Is this "legal" and does it really work?

I have recently purchased a PR6 domain name, with a LOT of backlinks, however, it is totally unrelated to any other domains I have. If I did a 301 redirect on the PR6 domain to another domain, would that be of any use being that the backlinks to the PR6 have absolutely nothing to do with the site I would redirect to?

Would this be seen by Google as an unnatural amount of backlinks coming at one time? Thanks for any advice!

errorsamac

5:22 pm on Sep 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I'm seeing backlink and PR changes on some of my domains too. To clarify, this is just an update of PR and backlinks, correct?

For the handful of search terms that I follow, I am not seeing any movement in the SERPs at all (for my site or others that I monitor).

Asia_Expat

5:23 pm on Sep 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I'm now seeing 7 datacentres with the new PR. It sure is a slow burn.

Asia_Expat

5:29 pm on Sep 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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WolfLover,
It's difficult to say really if it's due to the links from the old domain becasue my new domain has quicky gained 2 ODP listings and has quite a few links on high PR wikipedia pages that have stuck long term because my site is fairly authoratitive in it's field. However, the backlinks that still point ot the old domain are listed as backlinks to the new domain, so I suspect they really are accounted for.

Personally, I would not recommend you point unrelated domains and links to your target and off topic domain. I'm no expert though.

errorsamac,
Toolbar PR is just a visual representation and had zero effect on SERPS.

[edited by: Asia_Expat at 5:29 pm (utc) on Sep. 29, 2006]

MrStitch

5:54 pm on Sep 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I see the BL updates on mine, and movement in the serps for key money terms. Still on page 2 though... arg.

selomelo

6:03 pm on Sep 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Another interesting observation:

My site, or more corretcly, a subdirectory of it went from PR0 TO PR5. This is not surprising, since I managed to get a couple of really good backlinks from some authority sites with a PR6-PR7 (from resource pages).

What is surprising is that the homepage is still at PR0:

mysite.com/newsubdirectory = PR5
mysite.com = PR0
Which means that the subdirectory in question does not seem to pass any PR to the homepage. Logically, I would expect a PR pass to the homepage (say, a PR4).

Oliver Henniges

6:08 pm on Sep 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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> What is surprising is that the homepage is still at PR0:

As I mentioned above, similar for me. All first-level-inner-pages pr4 now (even those which had pr3 before), homepage dito, although those rk-values in early summer pointed towards pr5 for the homepage. This means that either the homepage will be recalculated later on, or that a somewhat different evaluation is at work.

Anyone else in a similar situation?

walkman

6:12 pm on Sep 29, 2006 (gmt 0)



main page 0 on 4 dcs as per the Se*chat tool that check with different datacenters. Kinda worried but my backlinks increased (in reality and in Google).

Bones

6:15 pm on Sep 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Matt Cutts' website is showing as PR0 to me. Perhaps it's just a blip!

Oops.

walkman

6:23 pm on Sep 29, 2006 (gmt 0)



Looks like [webmasterworld.com...] will get a PR8. The same Dcs that show one of my sites as a zero show WebmasterWorld at PR8...

Asia_Expat

6:26 pm on Sep 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Here's what I'm seeing.
Mainpage is now PR5
One directory down and a single click from the main page is PR3 or PR4
One directory down and 2 clicks from the main page PR0

Wizard

6:52 pm on Sep 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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If this update stays, then it is going to be a complete PR update in a long time. Last time around, I remember, only new pages got PR and existing PR stayed the same. But now I can see different PR for old pages too and in my case better :-)

Yes, I see it too - this is a real update at last - however I guess the new PR is pretty outdatet, it's more accurate than it used to be!

selomelo

7:01 pm on Sep 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Although not related directly to this update, I just noticed another thing: in all datacenters, you see the same PR for both versions of the homepage, i.e., for both www and non-www forms. I checked a couple of sites, and saw the same thing. Does this mean the end of infamious "canonical problem?"

rkhare

7:11 pm on Sep 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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hmmm in TBPR my homepage down from 4 to 3, but some relief from this. now this may also mean that not all dc's are currently updated, and they will continue to bring me bad news in days to come :-(

DC: 64.233.161.99 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 64.233.161.104 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 64.233.161.107 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 64.233.161.147 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 64.233.167.99 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 64.233.167.104 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 64.233.167.147 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 64.233.171.99 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 64.233.171.104 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 64.233.171.107 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 64.233.171.147 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 64.233.179.99 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 64.233.179.104 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 64.233.179.107 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 64.233.183.99 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 64.233.183.103 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 64.233.183.104 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 64.233.183.107 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 64.233.183.147 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 64.233.185.99 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 64.233.185.104 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 64.233.187.99 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 64.233.187.104 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 64.233.187.107 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 64.233.189.104 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 66.102.7.99 Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 66.102.7.104 Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 66.102.7.147 Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 66.102.9.99 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 66.102.9.104 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 66.102.9.107 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 66.102.9.147 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 66.102.11.99 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 66.102.11.104 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 66.249.85.99 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 66.249.85.104 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 66.249.93.99 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 66.249.93.104 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 66.249.93.107 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 72.14.203.99 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 72.14.203.104 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 72.14.203.107 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 72.14.207.99 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 72.14.207.104 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 72.14.207.107 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 216.239.37.99 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 216.239.37.104 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 216.239.39.99 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 216.239.39.104 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 216.239.39.107 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 216.239.51.99 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 216.239.51.104 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 216.239.51.107 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 216.239.53.99 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 216.239.53.104 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 216.239.53.107 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 216.239.57.99 Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 216.239.57.103 Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 216.239.57.104 Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 216.239.57.107 Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 216.239.57.147 Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 216.239.59.99 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 216.239.59.103 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 216.239.59.104 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 216.239.59.107 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 216.239.59.147 Toolbar PageRank: PR4 (4/10)
DC: 216.239.63.99 Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 216.239.63.104 Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
DC: 216.239.63.107 Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)

netmeg

7:32 pm on Sep 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Although not related directly to this update, I just noticed another thing: in all datacenters, you see the same PR for both versions of the homepage, i.e., for both www and non-www forms. I checked a couple of sites, and saw the same thing. Does this mean the end of infamious "canonical problem?"

One of my personal sites is still showing PR4 for the www version, and PR5 for the non-www version.

Wizard

7:48 pm on Sep 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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There is no canonical problem for sites with proper 301 redirect - they always show the same PR for both versions, if only the redirect has been in place for months.

coultog

7:57 pm on Sep 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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It looks like mine's staying the same... Really annoyed...

steveb

8:31 pm on Sep 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Amazing that they update so rarely that they are so utterly incompetent at it.

Yet another half-azzed, incomplete, just plain weird update. Pages crawled in late July get no PR... two full months ago.

It seems likely they will never again have full PR update, which also makes it likely that like the do-evil backlink garbage they started two years ago that they deliberately are putting out data they know is false.

The phenomenon of the lower PR of main pages that have to have higher actual PR continues. What a way to run a railroad. What other company out there makes all these little thingees and screws them up every single time?

Once again, nothing to see here kids, move along, move along...

grantmoney

8:37 pm on Sep 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I don't really get this PR update at all. I run 5 sites, 4 of which I haven't put any effort into (but will eventually). 2 of those sites are reasonably new (they had zero pagerank as they went live after the last pr update). Both of those sites are now PR7. Two of my other sites have also jumped to PR7 (from 5 and 6). The one I do most of my work on has stayed at PR6.

At first I thought "wow, it must be easier to get a higher PR now", but on examining my competition, they either stayed the same, or went down. It feels weird as PR7 always seemed like the Holy Grail of PR. 6 was easy enough to get, but 7 always seemed impossible. Now I have 4 sites at 7, it's a strange feeling.

And yes, I'm aware that PR won't bring in more traffic, but I still feel that it's important. It's an ego thing!

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