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9:52 pm on Aug 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Stop looking at [64.233.187.104...] aka [gfe-jc.google.com...] when you should be looking at [gfe-eh.google.com...] aka [72.14.207.104...] instead...

On the latter DC there is a big cleanup of older Supplemental Results in progress.

[edited by: tedster at 3:53 am (utc) on Aug. 18, 2006]

10:07 pm on Sep 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Well guys is it strange or is only me? Haven't you noticed yet that there is a major PR TB BL update spreading all over the DC's :>(?

Sure. Would prefer something that actually matters, though.
10:16 pm on Sep 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Good evening Folks

Risking standing corrected within few days. The following is my own personal opinion :-)

I wouldn't expect an update of the kind we have been used to previously as Allegra for example. The classical updates are gone for ever. The same way there is no more Google Monthly Dance.

What we should expect instead is:

- Data Refresh

- Data Push

- Bad Data Push

PR and BL updates aren't big issues or important issues, IMO. I mean they are old data after all ;-)

[edited by: reseller at 10:18 pm (utc) on Sep. 29, 2006]

10:17 pm on Sep 29, 2006 (gmt 0)



Google Monthly Dance is actually back, we just call it differently. Notice how google has made substantial updates each month.
10:33 pm on Sep 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I believe that Google hasn't updated in around 1 year.
I see the same type of spam sites dominating the serps that were dominating 9 months ago.
I still see political/.edu sites in adult serps with comment spam and redirects dominating.
I also think that alot of the backlink and PR data is not being taking into account anymore.

THERE HAVE BEEN NO UPDATES IN AWHILE!.

10:34 pm on Sep 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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>> Google Monthly Dance is actually back, we just call it differently.

...The EverShuffle.

10:55 pm on Sep 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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"Google hasn't updated in around 1 year"
Just MHO :Why Google hasn't updated for a year? Maybe all those bad ,good Data push and refreshes ,supl pages ,pages getting 0 PR ,pages getting wrong PR ,monthly flux ech.. was a slowly transfer to the brand new index?
Maybe when the PR BL update will be spread all over the place something will happen ,a new alegra type of update perhaps?
Why this PR update covers all old and new pages (up to 2 months old) while all the recent PR updates where only partial?
Google directory has not been yet PRdated since last year.
Again IMHO I believe that the new infrastructure or let's say the new machines feed with new data probably are ready for a general update ,I personally don't believe in that monthly everflux as a de facto status.
10:57 pm on Sep 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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There have been plenty of changes to the SERPs in the last year, many of them incremental, and a few larger steps (some backwards).

However, recently the changes have a different "feel" to them, than they did just a year or so ago. This is especially noticeable if you check a small selection of DCs from time to time.

[edited by: g1smd at 11:02 pm (utc) on Sep. 29, 2006]

11:00 pm on Sep 29, 2006 (gmt 0)



>> ...The EverShuffle.

The 27th, the 17th have been dates that relatively major changes have been noticed lately (many sites go up and down drastically).

11:33 pm on Sep 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I don't believe that sites playing musical chairs while hardly any new data is implemented is any kind of update.
11:40 pm on Sep 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hmm....as far as I remember GG promest way back ago a discussion at the end of this summer about the 72.14.203.104 dc...any news from GG?
11:47 pm on Sep 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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New pages are going into the index - i just think google takes its time putting them in based on the way it now spiders a site and how important the page is that it takes the link from.

New sites take a good while to be taken seriously by Google even after the initial sandbox period. A site needs a high PR value for its internal pages to have enough clout to rank imo

If you think about it, if the category your site is in has millions of results in google already and they are older sites than yours, its going to take time and a lot of effort for you to overtake them.

Meanwhile, today in google UK i noticed the serps were real poor earlier on almost all data centres, so some change was rolled out, im pleased to see that currently its much better.

I dont know if something was rolled back late evening or if another data push was added to bring the content up to speed. Either way a change to the serps is certainly evident now imo

11:48 pm on Sep 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Was it 203, or was it 207 that he mentioned?

I wanna talk about 209.85.143.104 instead.

12:02 am on Sep 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I believe that Google hasn't updated in around 1 year... sites playing musical chairs while hardly any new data is implemented

I can see that almost 5,000 pages from my site have been re-indexed using text I changed within the past week. When I'm using Google to search WW or eBay, new entries are usually indexed within about a day. That degree of freshness seems pretty excellent to me.

Obviously listings for the most popular search phrases will percolate up more slowly in the absence of an algorithm change, but to say there have been no updates sounds like you're deliberately overlooking what Google has managed to accomplish.

12:16 am on Sep 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Matt Cutts said on his blog not too long ago that a "data refresh" is not an "update".

New pages can be indexed at will but will they rank well?, I say no not unless you have a very popular site.

Google so far as I see it hasn't accomplished anything except managing to go backwards in time with it's algo mimicking the likes of Yahoo and Msn.

In my sector I see the same thing over and over again - a refreshing return of millions of spam sites with each new refresh, I call that "the regressive search".

12:47 am on Sep 30, 2006 (gmt 0)



total mess right now.
[google.com...] all supplementals. (IP 216.239.51.104) My sites as well.
12:50 am on Sep 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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For that search, none supplemental (IP 66.249.85.104).
Depends where you look.
12:52 am on Sep 30, 2006 (gmt 0)



that's why I put the IP there to see. (I actually searched "google.com" not by IP and got that DC)
12:55 am on Sep 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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The classical updates are gone for ever.

Wow, that's quite an assertion. The rest of your quote leaves out algorythmic changes. So you are saying the algorythm isn't going to change? Just data pushes from now on? I wouldn't be too sure about that.
1:19 am on Sep 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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"I wouldn't be too sure about that"
me too as i posted before.
4:57 am on Sep 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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g1smd,

Those 209.85.143.104 results are spreading everywhere I can see.

The refresh I have been waiting for? I hope so...

5:20 am on Sep 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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It is possible that we are seeing the start of an algo update. One possibility is that since Jagger, we may now see mulit-stage updates. It will be interesting to see if the Pre-Holiday update will come this year.
5:23 am on Sep 30, 2006 (gmt 0)



I think we will see an algo update as well. Matt has hinted at a end-of-3rd Qt update. It makes sense: google ha had all summer to try mini things and the shopping season is close enough, yet google has more tiem to fine tune should something go wrong.
6:22 am on Sep 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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From my experience, this looks like another data refresh (whatever that means). My sites have been swinging wildly with every data refresh in opposite ways for the last 2 years. The site was down in rankings till yesterday everywhere, and today its on p1 for thousands of phrases. If i don't do anything, it will go down beyond 100 pages with the next data refresh.

I am sure Google is doing a lot, but for me, its up-down baby for 2 years :)

6:53 am on Sep 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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walkman

I think we will see an algo update as well. Matt has hinted at a end-of-3rd Qt update.

No he didn't :-)

Matt talked about minor movements through out the DCs. And my hero GoogleGuy did the same ;-)

8:42 am on Sep 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hi reseler "And my hero GoogleGuy did the same "
He also promest to discuss here about the Big Daddy DC 72.14.207.104 at the end of the 3d quarter.
Can you please invite him ,you are a better diplomat then me.. :)
8:47 am on Sep 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hi toothake

Hi reseler "And my hero GoogleGuy did the same "
He also promest to discuss here about the Big Daddy DC 72.14.207.104 at the end of the 3d quarter.
Can you please invite him ,you are a better diplomat then me.. :)

GoogleGuy is a man of his words ;-)

8:57 am on Sep 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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when referring to updates its taken to mean changes in the calulation of relevance. For the last 12 months we have not seen an update, only changes to the parameters and data used to feed filters and a focus on specific searches such as big money short tail searches refinement. I have not seen an update for 12 months.
9:05 am on Sep 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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reseler I always knew you are the best diplomat ;)
Now back to DC watch ,it seems according my search kw's there are only 3 DC's that have not reverted yet to 72.14.207.104
and those are
64.233.167.99
64.233.167.104
64.233.167.147
1:00 pm on Sep 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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toothake

100% agree, see exactly the same thing.

Its a nightmare on one of our clients sites that ranks fine in those three but just awfull in the others (bulk of data centres).Im trying to work out what exactly they are rolling out in the bulk of data centres.

For example the site had about 7,000 back links previously. In some data centres it still showing 7,000 in others it showing 12,000 and in others 5,000.

2:00 pm on Sep 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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One of my sites that ran fine for several years lost nearly all Google traffic on June 27. It came back Sept 16, and it appears that it crashed again in the last 24 hours. The roller-coaster continues....
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