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Does anyone here still use Google to actually "search"?

10:36 am on Aug 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

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It took quite a while for me, I kept saying "I'll never use Google again" because the search results were just so bad. But every time I was in a hurry I would always end up using them as their search engine was the fastest, best laid out etc.

But for a few months now I've been Google-free. The time I waste desparately hacking at the Advanced Search options on Google to try and get some sort of answer to my query is just too much and I'd rather wait the extra milliseconds for Yahoo/MSN pages to load.

I don't even use Google for commercial searches anymore as Adwords now only consists of ebay and PPC search engine ads. i.e. "Searching for kidufeiso? Find kidufeiso here!" - all the decent merchants seem to have gone elsewhere. (No big surprise with Google's ridiculous fraud problems!)

Just wondered if I was the last one to leave Google? I certainly am amongst the people I know. My wife left Google over a year ago, she's now a big Ask Jeeves user because it tends to deal with the sort of things she searches for better than most. Me, I tend to use both Yahoo and MSN depending on what I'm looking for. But everyone else (including my grandmother) has moved away from Google because they "just couldn't find anything, every page they got sent to was just a bunch of advertisements".

Is Google now just for the non-savvy web user and spammers clicking on their own links?

3:50 pm on Aug 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Well just tried it again and O wonder .. most of the rubbish is away ... OK some improvement, wow.

That is on the search 'camera model review', used to turn up until recently gazzilions of empty review sites. I am amazed..

And the second link is amazon... thanks Google.. ;)

edit: and the same search on Yahoo .. junk ..
on msn a mix between Google and Yahoo. 1st two links the same as Google then the Yahoo junk.

1:28 am on Aug 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

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i've been using ask.com / askjeeves for the past few months. prior to that dogpile and msn.

you shouldn't have to use "cheat sheets" to be able to find what you're looking for in a search engine.

search engines are designed for the non-savvy internet user, they wouldn't think twice to investigate why their results weren't as good as they should be... why should we be any different?

i too am far beyond tired of the spammy results, scraper sites, link farms, etc. ranking above relative content to my personal search term.
google results haven't always been full of spam the way it currently is now.

2:16 am on Aug 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

google results haven't always been full of spam the way it currently is now.

I see a lot less spam than I did a few years ago, so maybe it depends on what you're searching for.

I do think the boilerplate affiliate mess of the early 2000s has been cleaned up, to a great degree, and the big challenge now is to do something about computer-generated "content pages" that contain little or no real content. But on the whole, I think Google's SERPs today are better than they were in 2002 or 2003--despite far more billions of worthless pages being puked onto the Web.

2:36 am on Aug 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Google is still the only search engine that I use. Sounds to me like there are a few disgruntled webmasters who are not ranked where they think they should be. Google is fast, simple and always gives me the search results that I am looking for. Grant it sometimes I have to provide more detailed search criteria; however, I always find what I am looking for.

Google is the number one search engine for a reason.

2:42 am on Aug 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I use ask.com, best results
also yahoo canada and MSN latin america
the top 3 us search engine suck these days trying to much to get pay per click $$
4:10 am on Aug 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

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re: "Sounds to me like there are a few disgruntled webmasters who are not ranked where they think they should be...Google is the number one search engine for a reason."

Nope. I don't use Google because it's full of spammy results. Yahoo does the job for me so I use it. And that's the only reason.

5:40 am on Aug 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Sounds to me like there are a few disgruntled webmasters who are not ranked where they think they should be.

what does that have to do with anything? i only skimmed the last page or so, but i didn't see anyone state poor ranking of one's own site was the reason for using a new search engine.

i'm only speaking for myself, but when i made my post i intentionally left the words "personal search" in there

11:26 am on Aug 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Within Asia we use Y asia, certainly no point using G as it just contains the same websites ( non local /regional ) for most of the industries we search in, Y asia gives plenty of good local content, total difference from Y .com which has almost no local content, Y Australia also good for searching anywhere in the world, even if I want to find something elsewhere in the the world Y Asia or Y Australia or ninemsn ( Australia ) or msn Singapore all do very well in my opinion.
Can never get any anser for Y or M about why it is that the regional ones are also good for worldwide, even if I use msn or Y South Africa and search for something in Asia the results are 'ok'.
But certainly not G for Asia. Even using local area .sg or .my G seems to feed up the same results from websites for us 'the other side of the world', most have Y asia as default or another 'local' seach engine.
1:59 pm on Aug 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I use Google all day long. I guess I remember when HotBot and AltaVista were the "best" SE out there. The way that I used them was that I had to use all the advanced features with mulitple NOT and AND boolean operators. I would then be persistent and look 2-3 pages down to find a site that had a "link list". Most of these sites would link to the sites I would need.

You would search for a name brand back then "Hilton" or "Sears" and the logical website would not come up.

When Google came along, I searched and the most relevant items were on the first page. Every once in a while, I cannot find what I want on Google. I will try other SE. They have results that are not any better.


2:26 pm on Aug 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Had to go to Yahoo yesterday to find what I was looking for. Google had too much garbage mixed in.
Yahoo was clean, straight forward and the info
was there for my taking.
3:42 pm on Aug 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

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With these new extended descriptions in the Google SERPS. I think its a major eye sore with a bunch of green URLs (5) blaring out at you and add the "more results". This makes the SERP interface look ugly. And now also redundant with as many as 2 URLs sometimes being repeated in the first listings. And the second listing in the SERP already listed in the extended description in the first listing.

Just to save my eyes after exesive searching, i think i would move to another SE with a cleaner interface even though Google is more relevant.

4:18 pm on Aug 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Not to be a killjoy, but I have a strange feeling this thread was started by a bitter webmaster who has recently lost some Google traffic.

Take a look at Yahoo and MSN: total garbage. Ask is probably worse (I always giggled at the PubCon when an Ask spokesman stepped up, speaking as if he was a "search authority"). Google - lots of garbage, but still miles ahead of the rest.

Are people "going back" to Yahoo or MSN? Not if they keep doing what they're doing. In my estimation, Google could easily become 50% less effective than it already is, and still it would retain users.

To webmasters who have lost traffic: I'm sorry about that, but starting threads like this is getting a bit old. EVERYONE uses Google. Get over it!

4:21 pm on Aug 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I have tried swtiching but I keep coming back.

For non-commercial searching it is still the most relevent. I have trained myself to ignore all sponsored links, I don't even see them anymore.

Where searching for release notes for software upgrades. Code examples. How-to docs those types of things I still find G the most useful.

I tried to prove this to myself a little while back searching the same thing in many SE to see which had the best results and pretty much 8 out of 10 times Google was more relevent.

4:41 pm on Aug 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

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SO since this thread came up I tried finding some random things on both Yahoo, MSN and ask.com

I did a search for "City Green Wdgets" in Yahoo for example.

2nd result was the page for "City Blue Widgets" <- hence the reason why I dont use YAHOO.

MSN and ASK was just absolute garbage, I laughed then left, reminding myself why I dont use them.

YOu guys are def. right I would guess most the people who are google haters probably had lost rankings for their sites so they became disgruntled.

Also keep in mind people are more inclined to post negative thoughts about Google, afterall they own the industry.

Take everything with a grain of salt. But google is still light years ahead of MSN, ask, yahoo when it comes to "accurate" results.

5:00 pm on Aug 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Answer to the original question? Yes, of course, I do use Google. Yahoo is my second preference.

Visitors to my sites too seem to think so.

And not to mention almost everyone I know who is not techie in any sense..

5:44 pm on Aug 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

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But then on the other hand those webmasters that owe a good living to google seem to chime in and try to refute any derogatory comments about the big G.
Could it be they are afraid there might be a trend away from google and hoorrors!..they might lose some money? So they jump on this thread and try to denigrate anyone who has a bad opinion of Google?
Not that I care but I just like playing Devil's advocate.
5:59 pm on Aug 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I use google, if I do not find what I want, I type in a few more keywords and get more specific and then usually find what I need.

Google has the biggest index of them all, so I typically find more related items when I do a very specific search.

I will also tell you that 90% of the people who come to my sites use google. Funny thing is that I rank about the same in serps for keywords in yahoo, msn and google.

Google by far sends me more traffic than the other ones.

6:31 pm on Aug 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I use Google every day and each time I find what I am looking for. All the people I know (relatives, at work, ...) use Google and I don't hear any complaints from them. Some of them don't even realize that there exist other search engines ...
6:46 pm on Aug 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I have been using Yahoo! and continue to use Yahoo!

I just check Google to checkout the my page position in its results. Well, Google is still the number one search engine.

But, over the years I have realised that people don't really understand which search engine is doing good. Whenever I compared Google and Yahoo! have been giving very similar results on the first page (the only page that matters). But, there are a few where Google might be better than Yahoo! and a few where Yahoo! might be better than Google. But for most of the users, I don't think there is any difference in both the search engines.

Also, I know people telling me Google has better results than Yahoo! when Yahoo! in fact was using Google search engine. Its what every one talks is the best search engine. It is all branding and loyalty there after.

Ask never gave me good results. MSN, I haven't used it that much, so can't say anything.

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