MSN Update 6.25.06

I see completely new results in my sector. Not too bad...

[mboydnv]

New SERPS today in my niche

I have a new cached page of 6.24.06 of my index that is #7 for my KW. (i changed my title tag on 6.15.06)

AND... the same index cached 6.10.06 is also in there as #14 for the same KW. (using my pre 6.15.06 title)

That's kinda weird....

[mboydnv]

I did that from a tip here in the forum, thought it might help.

It did boost me from 91 to 59 in Google.

Not sure if that helped on MSN.

It sure would be nice to find some threads from those sharing what works.

[rohitj]

Maybe releases/updates should be done during odd hours, when people (and thus revenue) is least likely to be effected. Just a thought...some companies will let employees, for example, take off monday to release a new update very early sunday (when people aren't using their service) etc.,

Something to consider especially as your service gains momentum.

On an unrelated note, I got an advertisement in the mail for using MSN's marketing features. The one thing I noted about the advertisement was there was absolutely nothing of substance on it. It was basically a big glossy ad that kept talking about how well they were independently rated and that they were better than google or yahoo. Google, on the other hand, will send case studies with substance. These case studies are insightful and show the variety of reasons why i need to continue using their service. Perhaps something for yall to think about next time you launch a mail campaign.

[walkman]

>> It just struck me that when a group has such a tremendous responsibility and challenging task working weekends is a necessity.

Yeah. The entire universe collapses if MSFT waits a couple of days and releases the update on a Monday or Tuesday. I don't get your philosophy: why make your life harder when you don't have to? A few days difference is not giving Goog any advantage at all. Now, if MNS search crashed, I am sure MNSDude and the rest of the team would rush at 2am if needed.

[Praxus]

I manage a development team and I'll be damned if I'd have my team work weekends. People have lives...wives, kids etc and its important to spend time with them. I'd only work extra hours to resolve a production issue or if we were way behind on a deadline - but then if you can estimate well, thats usually not an issue.

[AjiNIMC]

I changed my title tags, removed all H1 and alt tags also. Since update.

If this is helping then I can smell another Florida update and this time it is for MSN.

Google had to roll back the orginal florida update after some days.

AjiNIMC

[msndude]

As per one of my rules, I'm not going to help anyone SEO their site for MSN Search. However, before anyone does major violence to his/her site based on some of these "tips," let me just warn you that people have a powerful ability to see patterns where none exist.

[walkman]

>> People have lives...wives, kids etc and its important to spend time with them.

Plus, if you do, you might be able to get away for a while; soon they will start dropping like flies as they start heading to your competition.

[asiaseo]

A year ago I hadn't a clue what SEO meant, and few of my collegues did. People who made websites for their businesses made clean and clear websites, no linking out or in, they just made pages clear and pleasant to the users. Total original content. But these sites struggled endlessly to get any sort of position at all. I and others then found forums such as these and we realised that just making a good website was not enough.
When sites swop thousands of links, one person says optimize this way, another says the opposite, it is confusion.
All the major search engines tell us 'make your site for the user not the SE ', that is what we did, but it is clear now after months of sifting through all this information that you have to do far more than create a clear website.
Frustrating in the extreme.

I still cannot find an answer as to why brazil, arabia / singapore, ninemsn ( Australia ) provide good solid clean results but the main site does not, this also applies to other majors.
Ninemsn in my opinion provides some of the best search results 'in the world '.
If you can get someone to 'spot the difference' in the algo I think you will have solved some of the biggest issues.

[Garya]

MSN Dude

1. Is there a time-line for when we can start searching again on MSN? and get some what decent results or do you suggest using msn brazil or japan?
2. Will there be and improvment soon, or next year?

3. Results are getting worse each day not better, any explanation for this progress?

4. MSN should have left it the way it was before this update, and worked on improving results on a test server, that way you would not keep going down for user's using msn search.

[msndude]

We actually do test these things before we release them, and we don't release anything if we measure it as making things worse overall. However, each release typically makes some queries get better and others get worse; if the queries you happen to care about are among the ones that got worse, we can see how you'd be unhappy.

When several people say they're unhappy, it's helpful if we can find a pattern, which I why I've asked many people for specifics (and we appreciate very much the people who gave them to us). The fact that some people in the US think our Saudi Arabia search works better for their queries has been a puzzler as well, but we've taken that feedback seriously and tried to understand it. I can definitely say that this dialog has been worthwhile for us.

Following another rule, I'm not going to preannounce anything here. However, it's fair to say that we have some things in the works that we think will fix at least some of your problems over the course of the summer. Try to be patient, though; summer is just getting started.

[Praxus]

I have a question which hopefully msndude can answer..if a site is not currently being accepted into the index due to the junk filter or whatever, does the domain get flagged permanently as no-index,
or will it be reconsidered if the content has changed?

[mboydnv]

I just did a search for arabia.msn.com and it redirected to search.msn.co.uk/

That's interesting....

[asiaseo]

See hat happens if you try ninemsn.com.au ( Australia ) or search.msn.com.sg

I have tried searches for Canada, Europe, South America on Sinagpore and ninemsn and the results came up good.