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MSN asks members on how the search algo can be improved.



3:55 am on Sep 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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We are here and we are listening :)

Re: start.com not working in Opera. Thank you for the feedback. I will pass this along to the team.

With regards to spam we are constantly working on this and we have improved and will continue to. Please send along any private relevance feedback via stickymail.

Also, there are other folks that seem to say MSN Search is no good. That may be fair feedback, however, would love to get some ideas on where we need to improve most -- is it spam, relevance or another area altogether?

- msndude


7:23 pm on Sep 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I have to say that although I hate comparing the search engines, it seems that MSN is the most inconsistent of all.
I do a daily search for my main keyword on all the search engines. Google and Yahoo show fairly similar results and display quality sites. But for some reason MSN results change dramatically on a daily basis. MSN shuffles around sites that deserve to be on the 15th page on the 1st page.
I would recommend you begin to show some consistency. It is very sad, when a consumer does a search one day and they can't find any similar sites the following day.


5:52 pm on Sep 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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First I would like to comment about MSN search not having it's own "MSN SEARCH WORLD" as google and yahoo have theirs on the board. I think it is time and relevant. I feel keeping it in the diminutive sub heading in search world is not giving it the respect it deserves. Second, I may feel differently towards msn than others because it has been very kind to my site and I achieve excellent rankings for my specific keywords. My site does not sell ads and is specific to a commercial product for a brick and mortar business. It really isn't "mine" as it is for a client but I have tended this site scrupously for months trying to get it to perform well.

Second, I have a question. Why is msn indexing www.mysite. com and also www.mysite. com/index.html?
It doesn't bother me as it is one underneath the other in the serps but I just worry about duplicate content filters down the road. But on the other hand it gives me two spots in the top 10 so as long as it isn't dangerous, I don't care. Thanks and I feel that in my sector, the returns are both relevant and much less trash than google.


6:04 pm on Sep 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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First I would like to comment about MSN search not having it's own "MSN SEARCH WORLD" as google and yahoo have theirs on the board. I think it is time and relevant.

I think that has a lot to do with the volume of messages (and having easy ways to subdivide the topic once there is a significant volume).

At the moment the MSN area is only averaging a topic or two a day - hardly worth splitting it out, imo.


7:37 pm on Sep 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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As a user view point -
A month ago I thought MSN was great.. Did searches found exactly what I wanted.. I didn't like the daily updates of sites moving around all the time.. But overall it was great..

In the past week or so, all I have see is tons of spam sites coming into the search results.. Yahoo I think is the worst search engine with all the spam in it, but MSN is almost as bad now.. I am not sure what algo change you did, but it made your results horrible.

What you find in MSN, scaper sites, mass duplicate sites cloaking other websites, blog spamming sites. This is not adding value to your search engine.. It is taking value away. Users want to find what they are looking for, not to see same duplicates sites over and over that has just tricked the serps to get high rankings.

I am very disappointed in MSN at this point.. I thought there was a chance the MSN would not try and copy Yahoo and Google algo, and we would finally have a decent search engine again.


2:58 am on Sep 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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"At the moment the MSN area is only averaging a topic or two a day - hardly worth splitting it out, imo. "

Exactly. It gets a smaller share because it is buried. To date I get most of my hits from msn. Sandboxed in google. I get good traffic from yahoo but msn leads. If it ever going to grow it needs to be recognized.


5:48 am on Sep 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

some problem regarding msn indexing is happened with my website firstly there was 400 pages indexed and i was on top for good keywords but suddenlly msn indexed about 2200 pages and my position for all keywords is disappreared plz tell me that was will be the reason it is bcoz of reindexing or it is bcoz of any other problem will it be permanent?



5:18 pm on Oct 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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MSN Dude -

Thank you for asking for input from us. It takes a brave soul to weather all of the abuse from some of diplomacy-challenged members who hang out here. I do hope that they don't drive you away and please be assured they do not speak for everyone here.

In regards to feedback, one thing I've noticed with the most recent changes is that instead of my main page coming up first for given keywords, some interior page that only briefly mention the keywords often come up first. For example on one site my privacy policy page is showing up in the top ten positions for a search for a particular commercial term instead of my main page or one of the main subpages of my site.

Could this be from putting too much emphasis on what page was updated last? Or perhaps not enough emphasis on external links? I'm not sure what the programming logic is behind these results, but I did just update my privacy policy page, so I suspect too much emphsis on recent updates may be the case. Or since my privacy page is linked to by every other page, it may mean too much emphasis on internal links and not enough on anchor text in the links.

Just some food for thought. Thanks again for asking for comments.


6:52 pm on Oct 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hiya MSNdude,

Can ya comment on this post please >>


It's about >>
MSN Speech Server applications to Contextual Advertizing?
Is MS gonna apply speech research to audio advertizing on MSN Search?



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