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Even with the MSNbot visiting our site constatntly, lots of pages in the index, and many unique keyword combinations that are extremely relevant on our site, we are burried deep in the results. We don't even come up above #4 for our own company name. The sites above us are just sites that link to us. I am not talking about competetive keywords, I am talking about keywords within our small niche, but sites come up that have nothing to do with these keywords. Also for our competetive keywords, we normally compete on Google and Yahoo with the same group of sites and do very well against them. However, in MSN it looks like we don't even try, but when we go and do a site:competitor.com, we are killing our competitors in the amount of relevant pages indexed. It seems as though we can't get above a certain number. A lot of times the pages in front of us don't even have these keywords anywhere on their pages.
Is there some type of an MSN sandbox or filter that will only allow me to go over a certain amount, and if so what could cause this? You would think that if we were that penalized, wouldn't you think MSN would not visit our site and index some many pages every day? I could really use everyone's personal thoughts and experiences on this.
I understand that backlinks are very important, but sometimes we will find ourselves behind sites that don't even have backlinks, and we will have at least some targeted backlinks. It just seems odd that we can't ever reach the top even for our company name. Sites that really don't even mention us will rank above us always. We can't hit above #4 on anything, and when we hit #4 there are only 4 results. If there are more results we find ourselves around like 200-500.
Can anyone please give us some expert opinions! Does anyone else experience this?
OUR EB*Y STORE IS RANKED HIGHER! LOL
Since it's that bad, don't you think your sites must be getting penalized for something or other? (I mean, rather than your site just missing something MSN likes, MSN is finding something it really dislikes.)
I'm guessing success stories of how sites are ranking very well in MSN won't help much, since those folks were obviously not penalized.
sin, good luck getting that info. Don't forget that we're all competing with each other for traffic and I doubt anyone here who is doing really well is going to give up the info so that you can compete with him (except generally or theoretically).
Additional outbounds with the same keyphrase don't seem to have all that much effect, though.
I assume those are affiliate text ads with the keyphrase in them? MSN seems to go crazy over outbound anchor text.
Actually, yes. And now that you mention it, the reason I might be ranking so well on some terms is because most of the rest of the world is probably using banners without text for its links and I'm using text links (which would be rare for the one affiliate on the top of my head right now). Thanks.
I've also theorized that since I have a page for each outbound link that MSN could be heavily weighting the % of text that is the keyword text. That is, the higher the amount of text on a page, the less value the keyword has because it's less of a % of the total text on the page than the alternative.