Top ten in old msn, now 3rd page in msn search beta!

[born2run]

Hi our site was in the top ten in old msn search but I checked beta.search.msn.com and our site is nowhere in the top 20 also! So what should I do to get our ranking back on the proposed new msn search? thanks.

[mikec]

either

1. Hope they switch back or fix a few of the many problems they currently have.

or

2. Resort to blatant spam and dirty seo tricks...it need not be anything clever. the most basic stuff seems to be working.

[bobothecat]

Remeber that this is still beta... when it goes 100% 'live' ... perhaps what we currently see is not what we'll ultimatly get... just a wild guess.

[nzmatt]

At least MSN is improving...a little

Some other engines should term themselves Beta too, based on their current SERPS...

Google and their sandbox, for example, has gone back to Beta quality!

[jaffstar]

I was nowhere on the old MSN now #11, nowhere on Google (sandbox) and way down on Yahoo.

If this is the new msn, I want it to stay.

[timster]

A thread about having success with the new MSN search:

[link]http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum97/298.htm[/link]
My own sheer guesses to ranking well in the new MSN:
- Make regular additions to your site content
- Let MSN crawl through your database, if you have one
- Write lightweight, focused pages
- Validate your HTML
- Include meta title tags
- Fill out ALT tags; ensure maximum accessibility
- Use HTML 4.0 or better

...but most importantly:
- Don't assume more inbound links is the solution.

[RichTC]

timster,

Some good points.Content is king on MSN.

As i see it, it is Google and Yahoo that have it wrong by continuing this facard of links are king rather than content. Its time they changed this and reverted to content. Its just utter, utter cr@p. The current index from Google does not include any new content, just the same old names. In almost every search you do on Google you get shead loads of directory listings (because of the links basis)or sites with high link content but no relevent search term content.

Google is out of date now and is killing itself with its own algo. Its a search engine that updates once a quarter if you are lucky, how poor is that for fresh results! Meanwhile Yahoo is much the same only slower and Yahoo has more spam than any search engine if you ask me.

Bottom line is that MSN as i currently see it ranks based on content. Those websites that put the effort in and have rich content will be rewarded, which is a refreshing change to sites doing nothing to update and have content rich sites in Google but that remain high up in Google listings because a) they are an old site and b) have links from everyone.

Im delighted a new player has entered the market offering something, fresh up to date, New and something different to what we currently have available

[blaketar]

I would have to agree with RichTC sites I watch in google are just those, out of date and rarely ever updated. They continue to rank amongst the top due to their level of incoming links. These same sites are further down the scale in the new MSN, and I watch my sector VERY CLOSE!

Case in point, my site. 8 months old now. Lots of great content and 18000 pages of it, not a drop of spam! It continues to perform poorly in google but with the new msn ranks 3rd for it keyword. I also receive a fair bit of traffic from Yahoo.

Its about time hard work gets some credit and not based on the number of automated links campaigns you can send out in one-hour