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Mehdi oversees the global strategy, design, development, programming and marketing of Microsoft's information services such as MSN® Search
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"That is what the tag "beta" is on it for.
"You know the old rub on Microsoft right? It takes 3 versions to get it right. This is version 1."
Why would MSN use lousy version 1 beta SERPs at this point?
Why would MSN use lousy version 1 beta SERPs at this point?
Simply, because they are far better than their current SERPs. :)
What are you smoking?
Come on, MSN Beta is clearly far superior to the current Inktomi/Yahoo dribble!
[rfgdxm picks himself off the floor after recovering from laughing enough to reply to the above post.] Inktomi/Yahoo is so much better than the MSN beta it is ridiculous. Try running a dozen or so totally non-commercial and non-competitive searches through both. The MSN beta can't figure out the authorative sites. They are all on top on not only Inktomi/Yahoo, but also Google. The MSN beta ain't ready for prime time, but I expect it to take 3 versions to get it right.
[edited by: rfgdxm1 at 5:50 am (utc) on Dec. 12, 2004]
Most people on the Internet. Of course if you are running a commercial site, you can get good placement via PPC. And SEs have an incentive to rank commercial sites low so they pay for PPC. ;)
BTW, people do use the internet as a tool to buy and sell things too!
Absolutely. And if you are selling, get out your checkbook and pay the SEs for hits.
Like, for example, MSN Beta!
If MSN would consider site-wide PFI they would make a killing.
MSN is slowly making progress, and perhaps by the end of next year they will have something terrific, and maybe in a few months they will have something to be proud of which they could launch. Launching now would lead to endless stories in the media that made them look like idiots. There are just way too many embarrassing serps.
(wow, just checked a couple terms and they really hace regressed the past week. Very very poor, with the most childish duplicate spam all over the place.)
The end user
The only thing I say is they are not ready to launch while showing up all top positions to just one domain.........
they show all the subdomains as diferent sites.....
for my keywords on first two pages about 13 are from same site, their index and subdomains.
beta msn is certainly as good and in my opinion better, than the current Y! serps.
and no i am not saying this cause we rank well in beta. we also rank well in Y!, but to sit there and say that msn beta is worse than Y!, well thats just plain wrong.
I think they should go live with it now. Not that my site is ranked that well but I would like to see a third player in the mix.
I would be interested to know what topics or searches bring such lousy results, I haven't found any yet. Of course if my site was up there in the top I would like it better, but who wouldn't.
They also weight titles, domains, and on-page content heavily and that’s probably a good thing too (though it's a drag for branding). Google used to do that not long ago and it became the most popular engine in the world (before their current war on spammers, or their adwords draft campaign or whatever's going on now).
Who cares about "totally non-commercial and non-competitive searches"? ;)
This comment is obviously very tongue in check...
But the point is that it is the money terms that are causing the search engines so much trouble now days - particularly Google.
MSN Beta has more relevant and recent SERPs than Google and spiders far more than Yahoo!. But it does need work re' multiple domains for one site and keyword domains ranking too well.
Yusuf Mehdi, corporate vice president of the MSN Information Services & Merchant Platform division at Microsoft Corp is due to make an announcement regarding a new MSN Service (Microsoft Outlook Service) tomorrow.MOOL (Microsoft Office Outlook Live) is a replacement for the heavily criticised MSN Outlook Connector. Just like Outlook Connector the add-in aims to synchronise data between MSN Hotmail and Microsoft Outlook, but the idea is to extend the capabilities of such synchronisation. Users of MOOL should be able to sync mail/calendar entries/contacts/notes/tasks with MSN Hotmail.
Although the service is due to Beta tomorrow it's expected the service will be widely available in the first quarter of 2005.
The Seattle Times is reporting that the announcement is for the much-awaited Desktop Search tool. Lets wait and see what this is all about..
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the new Suite will integrate the search box with the Taskbar, MS-Outlook , OutlookExpress, and ofcourse explorer
The MSN beta ain't ready for prime time
Who said that what's live currently is what will be live when BETA disappears?
I see your point that Yahoo may be better than MSN SERPS currently (not sure I entirely agree though on many many BIG terms), but Yahoo are simply no where near as up to date despite slurp doing the continuous crawl for months now.
So whilst non-commercial authority is still not quite right, I kind of agree with the in-cheek - who cares about non-commercial though. A great many people really don't give a hoot about authority they just want the answer to their question or query wherever it comes from.
So all the SERPS have to be is good enough to ensure the searcher uses the site again!
Overall I think it's jumping the gun anyway - it's probably about the Desktop.
