Forum Moderators: mack
[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 10:21 pm (utc) on Dec. 3, 2004]
Exciting isn't it? :)
I am glad they gave me mod status in here now...
Dixon.
I am glad they gave me mod status in here now...
I would be too - it obviously gave you all new high level MSN contacts :)
Tigrou
Dixon/Receptional (or other mods), your contacts have any comments on test vs. rollout?
Dixon.
Less MSNDude and generally better in every category I've looked at. I don't know why you'd continue to use the Yahoo crap when your results are currently better. Isn't Yahoo a competitor? :-)
Quit torturing us and roll it out.
Even if they have the best algorithms in the industry, it'd be a huge embarassment if they rolled it out and discovered that they'd misestimated the scalability of their system by an order of magnitude. :)
Best impression is the first, and I am sure that's what MSN aims for.
If I use Netscape, it doesn't freeze. If I use Safari on OS 10.35, everything is fine, too.
I'm just hoping and praying that the search results for the public rollout are similar to what the beta version is showing. I'm #1 to #5 for just about every search term I want.
Waiting patiently for them to launch.... (tapping finger)
I would expect at this point a lot of webmasters are clicking through to competitors sites, especially those in top positions for competative keywords.
All part of trying to suss what makes MSN tick.
When Joe public gets to see the new SERPS it will be very obvious in my stats (assuming it stays pretty much as it is now in beta).
keep your fingers crossed.
the Y! serps are just crap these days.
Does anyone agree that this is pretty compelling evidence that they are testing beta, maybe for only very brief periods of time, at the regular search site?
That might even be an error, who knows.
Block all search engine cookies as a matter of standard SEO practice and you'll be more likely to see what the rest of the web sees when searching for your target terms.
MSNdude, you might tell the team that while it's cute claiming a page is xhtml 1.0 strict, you probably want that page to have zero errors, then you might even one day be able to deliver it as mime type application/xhtml+xml, even though IE 6 doesn't support that :-). But seriously, you guys came close, 4 errors on the page, why not go all the way and make it 0, or not claim xhtml 1 strict?
But very cool that you all are trying, amazing to see MS try to actually go for public standards in their coding, is someone there finally getting the message: Open standards are good, closed are bad. Does Bill know?
With Google you get all the authority sites, but nothing else, nothing new is ever added. I don't know which is worse, random or stale.
Many "Travel State" searches where loaded with Amazon listings?
With Google you get all the authority sites, but nothing else, nothing new is ever added. I don't know which is worse, random or stale
I know what you mean though I think Google has been trying to vary the results without losing the credibility of the results if you know what I mean.
The MSN beta results are so bad at present that few people would return if it was live.
If the authority sites aren't at or near the top all of the time the results aren't doing their job... but where does that leave new sites? I guess they have to earn their way up the tree like the authority sites did, if you want to rank well in the organic SERP's it takes time and patience, a quick fix may get you there in a hurry but you won't be there long if you haven't done the hard work first and earned your place the hard way.........that is doing your job well for a year or more, backlinks, good content etc
If the authority sites aren't at or near the top all of the time the results aren't doing their job... but where does that leave new sites? I guess they have to earn their way up the tree like the authority sites did, if you want to rank well in the organic SERP's it takes time and patience, a quick fix may get you there in a hurry but you won't be there long if you haven't done the hard work first and earned your place the hard way.........that is doing your job well for a year or more, backlinks, good content etc
Sounds like you are a supporter of the Google Sandbox. That's fine. It has it's merits, but I will say that MSN's Beta is at least as good as the Yahoo results.
I was doing some research earlier tonight for a couple of papers I am writing, and MSN did well for me. I also was comparing the results in one of my main industries with Google, and there were more new sites, but those were the sites I know have worked hard to create a good site and (for the most part) deserve to be there.
but I will say that MSN's Beta is at least as good as the Yahoo results
I find Yahoo much better, underated really, if Google wasn't the "industry standard" Yahoo would get a lot more attention I believe.
As far as the sandbox goes, lets face it if all the new sites were given equal status as the tried and true the SERP's would be a dog's breakfast.
The simple fact of life is that everybody can't be at the top or even on the first page.
If a SE can distinguish between a new site that tries to copy an authority site and the real thing I think it's doing a damn good job. If it can also recognize a site that deserves to be well placed then it's got it right also.
Yahoo's algo is alright even though it still alows more spamy sites in than Google. It is a shame that their crawling and indexing is so pitiful. I have had pages linked off my home page for the past 5 months that are still not indexed! Google has almost 3 times the amount of pages from my site than Yahoo does.
