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I really think that the first step would be to put all this information together.
Let's see how fast we can be...
You first... ;)
Dixon.
However the most active topic is the one where we offer feedback to the ms-team even if most of the visitors of this forum would like to read a topic like this one (my opinion).
Try to search in MSN for:
"Optimizing for Microsoft Search".
At the time when I write this message you'll find no result.
Let's see how fast MSN index our topic.
The MSN doesn't provide a pagerank tool like google does. But could be the "Updated recently" slide bar which will help us to make some test pages and see the results quick enough to move this topic forward.
"One factor our Beta uses in ranking pages is the text of links that point to a page. If many links to a site contain a certain word or phrase, that site will rank highly in a query for that word or phrase."
I wonder how they decide how popular a site is... it almost makes me wonder if they are buying data from a third party.
What a great system, and anyone who doesn't like the idea can chose to view less popular sites only!
At last we have some choice about the results that we see. The user is now making decisions rather than the search engine doing all the work. Brilliant!
I do not see that it is how often a site is visited.
G purportedly uses "link popularity", or how often a site is linked to. Isn't it more likely that this is what M$ is using?
WBF
"To add emphasis to sites by the number of other sites that link to them, move the middle slider up."
This is what they mean by Popularity: (just click 'Learn more' in the Search Builder->Results ranking view)
"To add emphasis to sites by the number of other sites that link to them, move the middle slider up."
You're quite correct, please accept my apologies! I made an assumption about this which I should not have done.
I still think its great giving people the option.
Something msndude might want to know; the description of how these sliders work are incorrect. 1 and 3 should be swapped:
1)To modify your search to add emphasis to sites that have been recently added to the search index, move the first slider up.
3)To put the most emphasis on the match between your exact search words and your results, move the third slider up. This will de-emphasize the two other rankings as search parameters.
Unless it is my sliders that are mixed up and not the description :-)
Internal link text seems to be a key ingredient by the looks of the new MSN search--at least from my view.
Google doesn't know our page yet...
Google doesn't know our page yet...
Its really nice to see relevant, up-to-date results in a search engine isn't it, hang on, this is the MS forum, not the G forum.
Are MS teaching us the true meaning of duality? love/hate
Tony
Oddly enough, yeah, G knows
Using the four word thread title, G just delivered
two results: a link to this thread and a link to the active post list
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Another thing; keyword spamming at the bottom of pages seem to be fine for MSN (for now though, I am not sure how much longer that will be)
The new MSN search seems to weight meta titles, domain name, and on-page content very highly. Inbound links don't seem to function at all the way they do in Google.
This is not what I am seeing.
Volumes of inbound links have a huge effect on current rankings.
Also, we need someone to write a msn ranking web utility, that would help a lot.
Amen, brother. Testify
it just the sorting of value for those links is not on a par with google which is why authority sites arent doing well....seems sheer weight in numbers of identical links from anywhere is all it takes....
Also, IMHO <title> seems almost irrelevant, and certainly much less important than in G.
several sites results confirm this for me.
Just one thing:
I really hope the new msnbot to have as much bugs as most win* products do...
Compare your keywords between
beta.search.msn.com
beta.search.msn.co.uk
beta.search.msn.se
A server physically located in Sweden doesn't stand a chance on the first two (with a two-word English phrase), but ranks #2 for the same phrase on .se
For Swedish phrases servers located in Spain and UK ranks better on the UK site, while the server located in Sweden ranks well on .COM...
Also, I find quite a few tracker links (affiliate links routed via a click counter) in the serps. This is of course nice for well SEOed affiliate sites, but maybe not for merchants with aff programs.
I agree, this appears to be the opposite of how google works. In my experience, on google, a website hosted in Spain, about Spain ranks higher than one hosted in France, about Spain.
MSN seems to use the location of the searcher to determine relevance. A website hosted in France, about Spain will ranking higher for searchers in France than a website hosted in Spain.
There is si much danger in the speculation.
Sit bacjj, relax, and eait fot the dreams.
Ready? or not!
I have mentioned this a couple of times, I am not seeing a lot of sites showing that should do (presumably they have not submitted and are awaiting a natural crawl)
I think until they include a lot more sites nothing can be considered conclusive
Regards
Rod
presumably they have not submitted and are awaiting a natural crawl
I doubt that many sites of note have not been crawled by now by MSNbot. So they just must be badly optimised for the new engine.
Just be happy Phantom if you are beating the big boys, and hope it will continue.
I am in the UK so it doesn't work with me yet, but I would seriously consider creating pages which are geo-trageted in nature to all zip codes in which you operate if you want to get serious. That "near me" button will potential become a massive discriminator.
That "near me" button will potential become a massive discriminator.
where is that button now? I seem to have lost it be seen it before...?
