What SEO now likes the MSN beta search better than Google?

[chopin2256]

I started my website in June. Its been about 5 months since I tried getting it on the seach engines, and I am going nowhere with my keywords in Google, Yahoo, and the current MSN.

After MSN beta came out, I now know for a fact that Google penalizes sites that are 1 month to 2 years new for certain key phrases. People say they are in the sandbox, and you get out of it after 1-4 months, however I see no evidence with this in my own website which is well past 4 months old. I still can't rank on Google when I should be (MSN beta search confirmed this for me)

When you have a decent amount of backlinks, and you can't even rank number 1 for your company name, or even your own name, you know theres a problem. Google has me ranked on the bottom of the second page for "Record Hall" my company name. MSN ranks me #1, which is rightfully my position I would think. Why should a site rank for my own company name, just because it is older than my site?

As a searcher, I like Google, and continue to use Google as my main search. As an SEO, I think google is brutal, and a bit too hard to get ranked. Why can't I at least rank on the 40th page for my main keyphrase? Does this mean that there are tons of other relevant sites out there that Google simply is blocking? The good news about the MSN is that the new sites that deserve recognition will be seen (if they are good SEO's)

So as a conclusion, as an SEO, I love the new MSN beta, as I am on the first or second page for all my big and small keywords. Google is blocking me from trying to reach the world, but MSN isn't blocking me from doing that. "provided they don't do a major algorithm change in the next few months" How do the rest of you "SEO's" out there feel about the new MSN beta vs Google? And do you have a hard time trying to rank in Google as much as I do?

[bears5122]

The sandbox is real guys. No doubt about it. Gwen Stefani is one example, there are millions just like it.

Fact is that Google is trying to raise their adwords revenue through means that has hurt their organic results. It's a matter of time before the public realizes that Google results are stale and outdated. Then people will do what they always do in the search engine world, move on to another.

[garyr_h]

bear: look at the Gwen Stefani site again and tell me if that's not bad SEO. Flash + a welcome page... come on.

[rise2it]

chopin2256 started this thread, and with an interesting statement:
"As a searcher, I like Google, and continue to use Google as my main search"

Why?

If you feel your site is so valid, and due to the 'sandbox' or whatever searchers will never find it, why do you still like Google?

For any search you do in G, it stands to reason there will be deserving websites (like yours) that can't be found.

It amazes me that so many here gripe about G, but they still continue to use it themselves.