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[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 11:14 am (utc) on Oct. 12, 2004]
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These results are hardly competitive. Spam is absolutely everywhere! Redirects, cloaking, white text on white background all work really well.
Not impressed at all. Results are waaaay outdated, and considering how much spidering has been going on, I'd like to know what they've been doing with those pages they've indexed? They sure aren't in the results!
As for relevance ... not so great IMHO.
I don't think their ready to roll out anything based on these results. Keep working guys.
Results are waaaay outdated, and considering how much spidering has been going on
The results certainly are not outdated - they are very very fresh. Are you looking at the Inktomi Msn results - now they are out of date.
As to the other points - sometimes I do a search and the results are looking good - other times not so good. Bit like any other search engine.
There is one exception to this, that being a subpage which has lots of off-site backlinks. My theory is that they are giving amazing amounts of weight to off-site anchor text, and significantly less weight than G for whatever they use for PR, and little weight to on-site anchor text.
This is unfortunate if true, as it would take away significantly from the value of content development, favoring small tightly focused sites over big broad sites, and forcing you to get external backlinks for every page you want to rank at all.
I did a study comparing msn beta and google with 10 internet savy people 100 search terms; 50 info, 25 commercial and 25 personaly relevent terms to each of the searchers.
There was little or no difference in quality reported in the commercial searches, Google had an ever so slight edge in the info search but it was almost to close to call, and Google not suprisingly did have half a step on the searchers satisfaction with personal relevent terms. All in all however most searchers agreed with a little tweaking MSN could indeed be their future search engine of call.
Perhaps it should say something like "See 27 more results from" to make it clearer where they've disappeared to.
I'm quite impressed by this search. For a really obscure two-word phrase Google has one result, Yahoo seven, Alexa ten, and the MSN new search 31 pages, 29 from one site. It's got a good depth.
But the link text is given too much weighting, as others have mentioned links to a site often come up before the site itself.
Also, sites with many old links using a kw phrase, where that phrase now doesn't appear anywhere on the site, come high on the SERPS (higher than Google, for the phrases I tested).
Some of my sites do better on this search, some do worse - it seems to have a lot to do with the content of the link text (as discrete words, not character strings). Which is probably why hyphenated-keyword-laden domain names do well on it.