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We have stated publicly that we will release our own algorithmic search engine within one year of our Technology Preview which launched July 1st, 2004.
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My thought is that they will want to beat that deadline by some margin. Anyone have other ideas?
MSN search results are getting very stale now. My newest website (late May launch) has been showing on Yahoo for three months now, but zero pages in MSN.
It is a very clean informational website with a DMOZ listing since end of June. Lots of incoming links, no reason it should not be included from any engine.
The bot is v 0.3, so I would think they are at least 30% there... my guess is sometime before May 2005.
Give me a break, what I am seeing now is at least the same as Google, if not better.
MSN is ready now, cept for a few minor tweaks.
Lets roooolll it out MSN.
MSN is ready now, cept for a few minor tweaks.
With what I see today, you may be right...
The idea is laughable. MSN has improved significantly, but they aren't within a mile of being ready. Spam tactics from 2001 can control this engine without breaking into a sweat.
Those of us who want MSN to be a good search engine, rather than one where our stuff just happens to be on the top, are hoping the engine launches when it has a quality product, rather than rushing out something not close to competitive like now.
You have to admit that from a standing start MSN is already more than a match for Yahoo Search, which is years of research combined in Inktomi, FAST and AV.
At this rate of development, Microsoft can release this version and get SP1 out in time for Christmas!
That is patently absurd. I know some of you guys love having top rankings what MSN is putting out, I like it too, but these comments serve no useful purpose. MSN isn't sitting there saying, "oh cool, we like how expired domains are doing great". They know they don't have a market leader product, and they know putting out a half-baked product worse than what they have now would be bad PR.
They want to launch something clearly better than the competition, not something the butt of jokes.
And their word proximity thing is as bad as Google's, whereas I'm happy with Yahoo. Let's say I have a name in my title and in a headline, John A. Smith. The searcher puts in John Smith. Because I have a letter between John and Smith, my page gets sent to purgatory more often than not for this search. (This even happens on unusual names; I use John Smith as an example but I don't expect to be competitive on common names like that.)
Fancy semantics is fine in its place, but hey, let's not forget to add points for good old near-proximity! Simplest is often best.
What's up with all this secret algorythm stuff. Life would be so much simpler if we had a black and white rule book for each engine.
I bet the search results would be so much better.
Then just put a "report spam" link next to each listing, hire a few people to handle the reports and ban the sites manually.
Then you have a spam free keyword tuned search engine.
It sounds simple to me?
I don't think it's perfect yet but that will not stop msn releasing, after all google has been poor for months, i'm talking competetive marketing stuff. For average joe wanting to buy something, msn is at least as good as google if not better. And to be realistic msn has a proven record of capturing these buyers.
I have no doubt msn will beat google in the not so distant future.
google update v msn update, are they waiting to see who draws first?
With that and $2.50 you can get a coffee at SBUX.
If Microsoft launches a product that isn't close to Windows Me quality, they will sentence themselves to irrelevance unneccesarily. The results are way to low quality to be used, and also too inconsistent in terms of pages that are actually in their index. But more important, they need to launch something bold and notable... they don't have those slider thingees there for just show, they want to impress the hell out of the public, which it would be great if the did. But the current serps are still laughable. they need at least two more beta releases before they should even consider a launch.
There is no hurry. There is no fire. Launching a plainly inferior product, or even one only slightly worse, just makes no sense to do (unless they did at the same time as they did some major browser integration or something like that).
I don't think idiot is the right word, mr&mrs average surfer are not idiots, they want to by a widget, msn beta can right now supply the widget, google cannot unless a "savvy" user is willing to wade thru directories. So I'm an idiot cos I aint gonna wade thru piles of "link sites" so in real terms who's the idiot?
Solid good practice, "keep it simple stupid"
I believe google intentionally meant for people to click adwords, and the truth is they don't, they continually hang on to the hope.
In answer to 404's I think that will be solved before going live, but really I prefer that than been faced with 10 zillion links I first search for, as on google