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Are you getting sales through Froogle?

are you getting any traffic at all?



9:11 pm on Dec 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I have not supplied data feeds to Froogle before but I see froogle on google.com now so I guess its become mandatory for ecom sites now. But is it worth it? Is anyone getting actual sales from froogle?

Also can you "optimize" your site for Froogle so that you get higher rankings? What does "Best match" mean?


9:27 pm on Dec 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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We got some visits from Froogle without supplying a data feed. I can't say anything about conversion yet, but we will try to implement tracking in the next days.


4:39 pm on Dec 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Gotten a few hits through Froogle, but no sales.

Like most of the online catalogs (e.g. Shopping.com, Yahoo shopping), its really hard for people to find anything. And when you do find something, you are overwhelmed with extraneously matches that you have to manually sift through.

My wife is the consummate online shopper, and she gave up on all those types of sites quite some time ago. Type in key words trying to find something and you're just as likely to get a pile of junk returned as you are the thing you are looking for.

Frankly, given Google's desire to offer a great search experience, I'm surprised they are moving forward with Froogle in its current state.


8:44 pm on Dec 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I had one sale about 6 weeks ago. I was getting about 30 referrals a week in beta, the last 3 days I've had 60. I'm curious myself to see if and when they will turn into sales.

>But is it worth it?
Yes, I think so.


10:40 pm on Dec 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The last ten days we've had about 1700 visitors and 25 sales. However I would say about 30% of that is Adwords.


10:47 pm on Dec 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Not really is the answer.

Here's a question: is google blocking pages indexed in froogle from its regular search results?


10:51 pm on Dec 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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is google blocking pages indexed in froogle from its regular search results?



10:52 pm on Dec 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Just based on my experience, pages indexed in froogle are not blocked in the regular serps.


3:31 am on Dec 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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We've been in froogle for about a year now. We track it with a seperate code. Until recently, we got very few orders but since we did data feeds for other places and I knew eventually they would release it, we kept it.

We've had more sales from froogle in the past week than we have seen from in in the past two-three months. Still not a stellar number, but nothing to sneeze at, especilly for free.


5:58 am on Dec 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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> Best match

That's just the default search option.

Since submitting the data feed to Froogle one week ago, we have received six sales attributed directly to Froogle. If you want appear "above the fold" you should submit a data feed.


6:10 am on Dec 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Thanks, I've uploaded my first feed. Seems the theme here is that there's been a significant upsurge in sales/referrals since Google added the link to the homepage, which is expected. It is when Froogle achieves critical mass, where it becomes the norm to use froogle when shopping rather than google.com, that things will get interesting.

Although there has not been a lot of buzz around about Froogle (most people go "froo what?"), a search for froogle has 58,300 results so that's not bad. For me its a case of get geared up for it just in case it explodes; which is a distinct possibility considering it is Google.

Does anyone have any thoughts whether the algo used is pre-florida? I can see that PR is significant but anyone see their sites at the bottom of the list or not in serps at all?

Considering that a lot of seo'ers who optimize for Google are working predominently on ecommerce sites it is surprising there's not a lot more discussion on the future of Froogle and its impact on ecom.


8:19 pm on Dec 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Yee haa! Just had to come share a little joy with fellow webmasters...a client got their first Froogle lead conversion. Even better the order was a doozie...3x the average order total for the month of December. (Mail order / gourmet type gift market)

I supplied a datafeed about a week ago and results started to appear on Tuesday. In all honesty the referrals are slow (about 4) but the conversion rate (1 = 25%) is huge! HA! LOL...too bad my Adwords conversion rate is not 25% or the client would really be thanking me.

Anyway...I am heading out of town for the weekend and will be away from the PC for the first time in a long time! It will be interesting to see what happens since it is coming down to crunch time for shopping.



2:05 pm on Dec 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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We have had several orders from Froogle across our sites, and almost all were from the "low to high" price comparison mode, but in almost none were we the lowest price. In most cases we were #2 or #3, and some #4.



6:16 am on Dec 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I have the same problem with Froogle that I have with Shopping.com. There is just too much junk in the search listings when you try to find something.

Take a user who wants to find, say, clothing for aerobics. They go into Froogle and type in "aerobic wear." Here is what pops up in the top 10 listings:

1. Weights for shoes.
2. A step aerobics bench.
3. Aerobic workout videos.
4. A men's sweatshirt.
5. A Penthouse video.
6. A 1085 yard spool of Wooly Nylon thread.
7. Boxing mitts.
8. Roller skating wheels.
9. Roller skating wheels.
10. Women's outdoor shirt.

Now, compare that to the adwords listings that appear on the exact same page:

1. "Designer Aerobics Apparel"
2. "Discount Fitness Apparel"
3. "Women's Workout Wear"
4. "Fitness Wear by Danskin"
5. "Fitness Wear"
6. "Quality Athletic Apparel"
7. "Yoga Wear-Free Shipping"
8. "Athletic Performance Wear"

Notice that 7 of the 8 adwords are very on target whereas really NONE of the froogle listings are. You'll find this sort of thing all throughout Froogle. The search experience right now is just horrid.

The Google algorithms/pagerank system work great for indexing and ranking websites, but aren't doing very well at all at indexing, categorizing, and ranking specific products.

I'm getting more hits from Froogle now that Google has started pushing it so hard, but I still believe they are shooting themselves in the foot. The search experience is just awful compared to "real" Google.

If they really want Froogle to succeed, at least as a pay service in the future, they should consider allowing vendors who are placing listings to control what keywords they appear under via an adwords-like bidding system. Shopping.com tries to do this, but their search technology is far too pathetic to make it work. Google at least has a shot at pulling it off.

Froogle also needs to spend some quality time with their directory taxonomy for products. Too many gaps right now. If you were shopping on Froogle in my particular space, you would assume that women were expected to be naked from the waist down whenever engaging in any sort of vigorous activity. ;)

I'll happily pay for another way to get targeted leads to my site that will convert. Froogle could be great for that - my products are unique and stand up well compared to other products in my space. I've tried on Yahoo shopping, Shopping.com and Froogle and none of them come within two or three orders of magnitude of the productivity of a basic adwords campaign. Indeed, I would *love* for Froogle to work, because it would actually more closely level the playing field I'm on.

I can definitely see where it could brutalize folks selling commodity goods which can be found from a number of sources though. But then, as someone else noted, that's been the way of the retail space for quite some time. There really is less and less room for small retailers in the face of the large, well capitalized companies.


For what its worth, I realize that I'm probably treading dangerously far away from the "describe everything as a widget" convention so popular here. I find the Froogle situation MUCH easier to describe using real items and real examples rather than try to put everything in terms of "widgets."


5:47 pm on Dec 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I agree with your statements completely. Most AdWords advertisers would LOVE to see Froogle charge on a CPC model, even if AdWords were still kept there on the right.

Charging for it would be fine IF the results were as good or better than Google's algo or AdWords results. Better yet, why doesn't Google just splice AdWords advertisers into Froogle?


7:54 pm on Dec 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Froogle needs a major new infusion of technology before it becomes highly useful as a product search engine.

I'm still surprised that Google is pushing it so hard.


2:26 am on Feb 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

We have gained sales from Froogle referrals.

We believe it's crucial to know where our sales are coming from so we track all of our internet sales with a conversion tracker.

So we are able to accurately comment on our Froogle results so far.

The Froogle sales have been very low in comparison to our other reffers but a sale is better than no sale (when the costs of getting that sale are low).

Note - we also have a low sales conversion rate for our type of internet product so when you see our sales conversion below keep that in mind.

To give a snapshot of our Froogle results :
*In October '03 Froogle referred 49 people with a 2.04% conversion to sales.
*No sales in November '03
*303 referrals with .33% conversion to sales in December '03
*130 referrals with 2.3% conversion to sales in January '04


1:23 pm on Feb 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I'm at the top with my product listings and have yet to see any sales, let alone decent traffic. -However, it all relates to your market/industry + a host of other factors. Your traffic/sales/leads may not come from froogle, but how much of the internet do you think you make up?


7:07 pm on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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We have been getting hits...... But still no sales... Yet....


2:32 am on Feb 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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How does froogle reach one website which do not upload the feed?
we submit only one site's feed, and it was been included,but its postion is very bad.
and our another site do not submit the feed, but its postions is good.
Some friends know how does it?


4:18 am on Feb 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Googlebot can identify pages that offer products for sale and can include them in Froogle. Typically, products found during the regular crawl do not rank as well as products submitted via a feed.


5:16 am on Mar 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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First Froogle sale! Ten minutes before midnight on the 15th. I'm not sure that justifies all the time I spent optimizing my feed, but every little bit helps. Oh yeah, and to put this in perspective, I've been sitting in the top 3 for some of my best keywords for about month now.


5:54 am on Mar 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have purchased items using Froogle several times. I use the sort by price function. It's good if you know exactly what you need and use very specific keywords. It is quite lacking when it comes to general searches.


6:30 pm on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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A good thing in all of this, I think, please correct me if I'm wrong is that:

We can now get datafeeds from these stores since they are already preparing the feed for Google.



6:40 pm on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>We can now get datafeeds from these stores<

Which stores?


4:06 am on Apr 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I am tracking my products in froogle with a tracking code and I see not more then 1 sale a day. Not bad but not too good. Can be better.


8:58 pm on Apr 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Thanks to Google showing Froogle results, my product is now #1 on a Google search, resulting in very decent sales which more than justify the time put into feed developing.

Thanks Froogle!


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