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He grabbed girl's arm -- now he's a s-x offender

not political...not s-x related. Just one sad story

         

walkman

7:44 pm on Jul 1, 2005 (gmt 0)



his life is essentially ruined with all the stigma, restrictions on movement, and notifications:

"...He said he simply lectured her. She said she broke free and ran, fearful of what he'd do next. In a Thursday ruling, the Appellate Court of Illinois said the 28-year-old Evanston man must register as a s-x offender."

[suntimes.com...]

mcavic

4:25 am on Jul 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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How long do you think it would take for this to be overturned by the Supreme Court?

walkman

5:22 am on Jul 2, 2005 (gmt 0)



it will not. They already ruled that being branded a "s-x offender" is not a punishment, so the lawyers need to find another good argument to bring it up again. If that isn't punishment, I don't know what else is...

>> How long do you think it would take for this to be overturned by the Supreme Court?

phidentity

8:49 am on Jul 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Ruined his life. Great work justice... This sort of thing really angers me.

Essex_boy

1:53 pm on Jul 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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"s-x offender" is not a punishment - yeah right, Id rather go to prison for ten years than be branded as this type of offender.

Laughable comment from the PC crowd.

incrediBILL

4:37 pm on Jul 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Should've just hit her with the car and kept his hands to himself and he'd be in a much better situation. Jumping out, yelling, chasing someone and grabbing them screams anger management issues too, the guys no angel but I wouldn't call it sex offsense.

They've all lost their minds, I'm relocating to a small island.

mcavic

5:19 pm on Jul 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'm relocating to a small island

Me too, as soon as I can afford to buy one. ;)

walkman

6:04 pm on Jul 2, 2005 (gmt 0)



scary, common sense doesn't apply anymore. The prosecutors, cops, and the judges know that he is not a "s-x offender", yet they don't mind ruining a person's life. It's funny, that both sides (right and left) think that this is stupid, yet no one does anything about it. Anyone is one crazy kid's (or vindictive ex-wife /gf) accusation away from total ruin.
"He touched me".
"No, I didn't"
Good luck on that one.

If you see a woman, or kid, bleeding on the street, and you can save her life by moving her or something, stories like these will make you think twice. 10 years in jail, as much as it sucks, is probably nothing compared to the label. Looking back, he should've run her over and serve 2-3 years for vehicular manslaughter or whatever.

Ask anyone on the street and they'll you that s-x offender=p-dophile /child r-p-st, yet many are people who had s-x with their teenage girlfriends (he was 17, she was 16--just below the consent age--type of thing), people who streaked, got caught urinating over a fence or on the woods at night, slapped their kids, and other stupid things. Most teenagers, or other people for that matter, technically are "s-x offenders" with today's broad brush, they just never got caught, or no charges were pressed.

If people are that dangerous that need to be banned from places, tracked for life, and so on, why are they even outside? Why not lock them up for life, or kill them?

sorry for the rant, just they are so many cracks in the legal system, and it can happen to anyone, especially if you're broke.

incrediBILL

5:12 am on Jul 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It's not the legal system that has cracks, it's more of a situation of backlash from all the years that women and children were more or less considered property and starting in the 60's and 70's women and childrens rights escalated to the point that the pendulum has swung the other way to the point men can be destroyed with a mere baseless accusation from anyone.

The only solution to put sanity back in it will be a massive Men's Rights Movement to get back such things as "innocent until proven quilty", and men won't do it because it will be admitting they don't have control and we all know how the male ego can't deal with that.

So deal with it people.

jsinger

5:19 pm on Jul 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I could have been labeled a child molester, how about you?
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Years ago I took my young kids to the mall at Christmas. We shoved our way into a packed pet store to look at pups and kittens, and each of us went off in own direction.

My youngest son was one of many blondish tikes there.
Later I thought I had found him and I put my arm on his shoulder as we both watched pets together thru glass windows. Only it wasn't my boy! And I knew he had a parent in the store, perhaps one spying me as I hastily removed my arm from the kid, who was looking shocked himself.

Whew! What might have happened if the boy had cried out for his dad? Or if his parent saw me putting my arm around his son? Really scary stuff.

vik_c

12:38 pm on Jul 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Just curious..why do you keep saying 's-x' offender instead of putting the 'e' where it belongs.
Do we have a policy here about not using some specific words in any context, whatsoever?

walkman

1:23 pm on Jul 5, 2005 (gmt 0)



vik_c,
because this page will rank high when someone searches for it, or things related to it on Google.

roscoepico

8:28 pm on Jul 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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He grabs my 14 year old daughter and the last thing he will be worrying about is what people are calling him. He should've spoke his piece and moved on.

iDKris

5:49 pm on Jul 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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*He grabs my 14 year old daughter and the last thing he will be worrying about is what people are calling him. He should've spoke his piece and moved on.*

it sucks that he's in this situation, but i have to agree with this comment. some kid runs out in front of my car, i might yell at them but i'd never even consider getting out of the car to scold them. i don't have kids, but were i'm from, you don't disipline someone else's kids. the guy is 28... if he's doing this now, gotta wonder what he's going to be doing when he's 48 (this high strung, he might be dead)

walkman

8:37 pm on Jul 6, 2005 (gmt 0)



no one is defending what he did, it was illegal and he was punished, and can be sued in a civil court too. The label applied, is not appropiate, that's all. Essentially they said, that even if the slightest doubt exists, ruin his life.

MoneyMan

1:31 am on Jul 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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"Registered S-x Offender" is no doubt the scarlet letter of our era.

To state that the label itself isn't punishment is just ignorant.

Walkman - I second your opinion (read: rant). Examples such as mandatory sentencing for drug possession in the American legal system are laden with the response of political agenda and a short-sited public. This is just further evidence and examples of that. Why appoint a judge when you remove there ability to make even the most basic of rational decisions.

"I don't really see the purpose of registration in this case. I really don't," Morse said. "But I feel that I am constrained by the statute."

vik_c

6:40 pm on Jul 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Wouldn't this be self defeating with all the publicity being given to it. Some more cases like this and many child molesters will claim they've been branded s-x offenders only because they got into a brawl with a kid. Are there degrees here or is it just one bracket all these people are put into.

hannamyluv

8:10 pm on Jul 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I think that this ruling is stupid because it cheapens the label of s-x offender. A few months ago, I found out that there is a registered "s-x offender" living a few doors down from me. I don't know the family that lives there and have only said hello in passing so I don't know which man it is there. Even the specific crime was not helpful. S-xual relations with a minor above the age of 12. There is a huge difference between a 20 year old who got caught with a 16 year old and a 40 year old who lured a 13 year old, but they are both the same technical crime.

One of those offenders I would be worried about, the other I would not. But when they lump them all together, I am apt to assume that the guy down the street is the one I am not worried about. I mean the family seems like nice people...

Sarah Atkinson

5:45 pm on Jul 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I think that this ruling is stupid because it cheapens the label of s-x offender. A few months ago, I found out that there is a registered "s-x offender" living a few doors down from me. I don't know the family that lives there and have only said hello in passing so I don't know which man it is there. Even the specific crime was not helpful.

S-xual relations with a minor above the age of 12. There is a huge difference between a 20 year old who got caught with a 16 year old and a 40 year old who lured a 13 year old, but they are both the same technical crime.

One of those offenders I would be worried about, the other I would not. But when they lump them all together, I am apt to assume that the guy down the street is the one I am not worried about.

I agree here. There is a difference if you lump the ones that arn't that harmfull with the ones that are how do you tell which ones you should watch out for?

Would you realy be concened if a 25 year old male moved in next door who was a register sex offinder because his senior year of highschool he got caught with a sophmore from study hall and her parents pursude charges? And what if that same sophmore and 2 kids moved in with him as well?

If the system is constintly deluted with stuff like this it will simply make the system pointless.

At least they should have different levels and maybe expirations on the lowest levels.

Realy I don't think I would have a problem with other people chastising my kids if they saw my kids do something dangerosly stupid. I got it a few times when I was a kid myself.

If it was mine child I think I would be more concerned that my child wasn't following basic safty practices and that what could have happened would have been much worse, and just because it didn't happen doesn't mean the same situation will not arise again with a worse outcome.

When I was a kid I had a friend who would always dart into the street without looking. She use to say "padestrians have the right of way.. they will stop" However one old man didn't stop and she was hit by his car. He even billed her parents for I think a cracked bumper and dented hood.

As a driver you have to look out for pedestrians. but as a pedestian you have an equal responsibility to look out for cars.

Sarah Atkinson

6:00 pm on Jul 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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btw
I wonder if Robert Mohr could have been prosecuted for child abuse for kicking Emily Marshall off the train track she had crawled on?

I remember when this happened (I live not to far away) He was treated as a hero and the state news did a story on him.

[dot.gov...]

walkman

3:48 am on Jul 14, 2005 (gmt 0)



>> and used his foot to push the baby out of harm’s way. He then jumped from the moving train to shelter the baby from further harm

Lock him up and throw away the key! Pushing the baby wasn't enough, he "touched" her after too. ;)

The way the law is written, I doubt there's an exeption to why you touched the baby. If you're worth a few $ mil, and the mom (or dad) is (you know ...grateful ;)), you might be charged with all sorts of things.

Intent needs to be considered, by the judge and jury. Forget about the prosecutors because they want want to add another notch on their belt.