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PC tax could replace licence fee

UK tax, grrrr

         

mcavill

1:06 pm on Mar 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The BBC licence fee could eventually replaced by a tax on having a PC instead of owning a TV, according to a Green Paper delivered this week

[theregister.co.uk...]

I need to move abroad...

dillonstars

2:31 pm on Mar 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I don't mind paying the tv license fee, and I think it is good value for money.

However, as tv and video spreads across formats it won't be fair to only charge people with tv's and not those that watch programmes via a computer. They say [hardware.silicon.com] that the UK now accounts for 20% of global television piracy [networks.silicon.com].

I don't know what the answer is, but i'm sure a blanket pc tax will never happen. I wouldn't mind paying a subscription...

However, I will be annoyed if they introduce a new pc license on top of a tv license....

Essex_boy

5:08 pm on Mar 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I need to move abroad... - No you need to vote at the next election

Syzygy

5:15 pm on Mar 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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In Foo some months ago I postulated on the idea that such a thing might happen, based on news [ananova.com] of similar plans in Germany.

I don't really see this as a practical idea, however, with greater convergence in info/entertainment systems, I can understand how some form of 'tax' could seem like a good idea to the powers that be.

Syzygy

dillonstars

5:39 pm on Mar 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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No you need to vote at the next election

I dont think a change in government will affect this. Whoever is in charge will bring this in... whatever they choose to do in the end...

Yes you have the chance to vote, but does that doesn't mean you actually get any choice.

mcavill

8:23 pm on Mar 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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No you need to vote at the next election

I will, and always do. Members of my family are councillors and every vote counts :)

It's a logical route for the TV licence to go, I doubt it'll be introduced as an additional "tax", but an interesting issue all the same.

donovanh

10:47 pm on Mar 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'm confused by this, surely if you own a computer, you must pay the TV license regardless of whether you have a TV?

I'd thought that having a PC meant that you could conceivably watch TV on it.

Essex_boy

12:19 am on Mar 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Yeah so in effect your already being taxed.

dillonstars

2:18 am on Mar 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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surely if you own a computer, you must pay the TV license regardless of whether you have a TV?

Not at the moment. only if you have a TV card in it.
[tvlicensing.co.uk...]

But now that so many people are watching tv shows by downloading them, the boundary has blurred and so new rules have to be made... I just hope they are fair.

Leosghost

11:06 am on Mar 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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In France they just made paying your TV licence mandatory even if you don't own one ..if you live somewhere ..ie :the licence fee is included in your local "Tax d'habitation" wether you have TV or not ..it is assumed that everyone does ..if it is used for the purpose of wathing DVD's only ..don't make no difference ..
We also pay a tax of around 12% on all blank Cd's CD-RW's and blank Dvd's etc..this is because it is assumed that we will use them to record copyright material ..so the tax allows us to do so ..
However the recording of copyright material is illegal and can result in fines of upto half a million dollars and or a jail term ...
Yes there is absolutely no logic in the last 2 paragraphs .!
And the assumption that we all have TV is is somewhat optimistic to say the least when one considers the standard of the TV programming that we do have in the French language ..
watch out in case this system is extendnded via french "lobbying" to other EEC countries ..

dillonstars

11:42 am on Mar 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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..if it is used for the purpose of wathing DVD's only ..don't make no difference ..

Yes, that is the same in the UK, although if you havent got a tv or recording/playback device then you are exempt...

Just for info, this is how the license fee is spent by the BBC:

Viewers pay £10 per month, which is spent in the following way:

£5 - terrestrial TV
£1 - digital
£1.20 - radio
£1.50 - local TV and radio
£0.30 - Online
£1 - transmission and collection of licence fee

Source: BBC governors set to be scrapped [news.bbc.co.uk]

Also:

* BBC shake-up: At-a-glance [news.bbc.co.uk]
* Licence fee 'depends on viewers' [news.bbc.co.uk]

Essex_boy

12:00 pm on Mar 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Theyd tax air if they could....

dillonstars

1:18 pm on Mar 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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One thing that may need to be addressed in future is that although the BBC website etc is funded by the UK public's license fee, it is used by many more people all around the world...

I'm not in favour of curbing access to the resource, but maybe subscriptions to the BBC could allow a much broader spectrum of funding from interested parties, wherever they are.

However, one thing that subscriptions don't reflect is that having been a license fee payer for some time, I have a right to access programming/information that has been made with my money... I don't see how they could restrict that access if I choose not to buy a subscription in future.

Leosghost

1:44 pm on Mar 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The BBC's "listen again" feature is as I understand it free at the moment ..The french public service broadcaster "france inter" charges $12.oo per "streamed programme" for the same sort of feature ...
I am extremely pleased to now live in an area where I can get the BBC on radio ( I am still waiting since 6 months for France telecom to respect the EU /french law and let me change operators to get ADSL and so listen via the net ) ..
I think we probably have the only PSB service in the world which charges for "listen again" type features ..( of course france inter says all other European and US broadcasters do this ) ...

And they are beleived by all their french only speaking listeners.

Whatever it's faults may be ..the BBC is still the best in the world ..