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A Wee Dram

         

Syzygy

11:13 pm on Nov 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Amongst those who enjoy 'a wee dram', what's your favourite? Christmas, and especially Hogmanay are just around the corner...

Mine, and one that I've only just discovered over the last year, is Lagavulin; a 16 year old single malt from Islay.

There are so many to choose from though - any recommendations?

Syzygy

Syzygy

10:09 pm on Nov 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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20 year Bowmore: A curious lacing of bourbon and distinct peat with something heathery thrown in. Delicate and complex... Enormous depth and complex peat that, beyond the spice, has to be sought... 91/100.

Oban 14 year old: Slick and fruity, you can close your eyes and think of Jerez... A very decent dram... 84/100

Laphroaig 10 year old: This, undisputably, is classic whisky... 90/100

Laphroaig 15 year old: A hugely disappointing and lacklustre dram that is oily and woefully short on complexity. Not what one comes to expect from either this distillery or age. 79/100

Laphroaig 30 year old: subtle peat-reek from distant lumbs (I can tanslate that if you wish...), coupled with pungent sea spray; outstanding... 94/100

Laphroaig 40 year old: smoky oranges, salty kippers: can this really be such a gigantic age?... 94/100

Source: Jim Murray's Whisky Bible 2004.

At the end of the day, it's all about your own personal opinion...

Spiritual as in becoming one with my environment and emotions on a plain far above the ordinary platitudes of daily human interaction. ;)

Double Lol..!

The Glenlivet: which one?

Syzygy

[edited by: Syzygy at 11:07 pm (utc) on Nov. 29, 2004]

Pedent

10:57 pm on Nov 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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and had to use wine bottled with corks for the UK market.

Wine just isn't the same without the uncorking ceremony. Okay, it may taste the same, but where's the drama in taking off a screw-cap?

olwen

1:10 am on Nov 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Okay, it may taste the same

Chances are it will taste a whole lot better. The reason they are switching to screwcaps is that there is very little chance of the wine being "corked".

Leosghost

11:01 am on Nov 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Also the astronomical rise in the price of good corks ..almost all the good ones come from Portugal ..cost around €00.30 each ..and the lack of French ones due to the deliberate destruction of the trees in the South by Real estate promotors and their paid pyro's each year ..

Even french corks have doubled in price in the last year ..

Costs for the viticulteur to bottle their own wine ( "depart domaine" )..
Cork .."bouchon" .................. €00.30
Bouteille..classic "resto" shape ..........€00.35
Label printing etc ........................€00.15
Tax "douane" mis en bouteille ( the little metal cap on each bottle is the tax paid to the government in order to be allowed to bottle your own wine ...........................................€00.10

These don't diminish with scale
Then add labour ,investment ,profit and of course the wine , Health insurance and retirement benefit payments ( compulsory at 56% of "gross profit" ..yes really! 56% of "gross profit) ..

Price paid to the viticulteur for one litre of AOC sold to the co-operative ..€00.30 per litre ...
( this is why most are subsidised ..or bottle "value added"...Bulk table wine production is like driving your car straight at the wall ..in France at least ....

The only way to survive is to either be paid not to produce ( and so run huge 4x4's etc ..no overheads but €00.30 for each "non existant" bottle saved from the "wine lakes" )...Or produce speciality wines and cut costs to the bone ( corks vs screw tops )..and try to sell direct to cut out the shippers margin ( 100% on average ) ..

For the French market..After that you add transport ..your governments choice of taxes etc ..retail margins etc ..

henry0

12:35 pm on Nov 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Bourbon,
I used to get a quarterly 4 pages from Bourbon small batch processors
They recommended simply adding in your drink a T spoon of hot water
I do not think that I ever tried it!

I Know that in Leosghost area there is a revival in making spiced wines as they used to hundreds of years ago
Quite interesting if one is not a real wine lover, might be a good item to export in Japan.

Henry

Syzygy

9:50 pm on Nov 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The popularity of the smokey Islay malts has led to allocation restrictions in some markets of the acclaimed Lagavulin 16 YO.

Hot news today from the Islay Whisky Society...(I signed up for their newsletter after starting this thread)

Now forgive me for being cynical, but isn't this much like the alleged (and nowadays annual) champagne shortages the press reports in the build up to every New Year..?

Syzygy

Leosghost

12:37 pm on Dec 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The reality is there are approximately 4 million bottles of Champagne surplus to consumation at present ...It's growing at a rate of around 600,000 bottles per year ever since year 2000 ....

BTW ..look for PR ( vineyard owner self bottled ) ..the absolutely best quality costs from €15.00 per bottle in France ( retail )and upwards ..on the bottles you buy ..not the big name Negociant ( blended with whatever comes to hand ) crap such as Moet etc ...costing from €30.00 and upwards upto the sky ...Very well marketed tho!

What the French wine and Champagne business tells the rest of the world ..and what it says privately amongst its members and to the government are very very very different stories ...

Syzygy

12:56 pm on Dec 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The reality is there are approximately 4 million bottles of Champagne surplus to consumation at present ...It's growing at a rate of around 600,000 bottles per year ever since year 2000 ....

Always the best time to announce an impending shortage...;-)

Syzygy

olwen

4:50 pm on Dec 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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BTW ..look for PR ( vineyard owner self bottled ) ..the absolutely best quality costs from €15.00 per bottle in France ( retail )and upwards ..on the bottles you buy ..not the big name Negociant ( blended with whatever comes to hand ) crap such as Moet etc ...costing from €30.00 and upwards upto the sky ...Very well marketed tho!

I was given a bottle of Bollinger and we saved it up for an "occassion" because it was expensive. I didn't like it at all. I'd rather have a bottle of Australian Jacob's Creek Cuvee (on special this week at $NZ6.95 in my local supermarket) than the Bollinger. Many of the local vineyards make a Methode Traditionale and some of them are excellent to my taste. The dearest are less than half the price of any French Champagne.

A few years ago when I lived in a city the social club at work would organise a wine quiz. A representative from a good supplier would bring wines to blind taste. They would educate you on the characteristics and get you to comment on the wines. Without exception people much preferred New Zealand wine (and to a lesser extent Australian) to the expensive imported wines.

I'm not saying that our wines are better, but people round here prefer them because they are used to the fruitier flavour.

Essex_boy

5:47 pm on Dec 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Interesting point about the Bollinger reminds of a time at work, my employer (generous to a fault) bought a bottle of very expensive Champagne.

We all had a glass - christ it was foul.

However I was the only one that didnt like it so I guess its horses for courses.

Syzygy

10:01 pm on Dec 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I used to get a quarterly 4 pages from Bourbon small batch processors
They recommended simply adding in your drink a T spoon of hot water
I do not think that I ever tried it!

That sounds intriguing - will give it a go on a good dram of whisky and judge the effect. Dependent upon the advice you listen to, it is oft suggested (and as has been mentioned here) that warming up your spirit (by rolling the glass around in your hands) is a good idea. I reckon that the tea-spoon of hot water may actually be very good advice indeed. That I think is going to work just a treat. Thanks very much for that - the principle is superb.

Sorry to say though that my bottle of Lagavulin has only just the one more dram left in it..;-)

Syzygy

lorax

10:04 pm on Dec 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>> that there is very little chance of the wine being "corked"

Buy some corks and cork the bottles yourself!

rj87uk

1:06 am on Dec 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I saw on the news that vodka is now becomming more popular than Whisky.

(Scotland)

Rj

ska_demon

1:09 pm on Dec 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Makers Mark. Yum Yum

Ska

Vampyre

11:07 pm on Dec 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Without exception people much preferred New Zealand wine (and to a lesser extent Australian) to the expensive imported wines.

I'm not saying that our wines are better, but people round here prefer them because they are used to the fruitier flavour.

Actually, one of my favorite wines is an Australian wine, Lindemans Bin 50 Shiraz.

And I'm from Eastern Washington, one of the best wine growing regions in the world.

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