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Spammer gets 9 years

....but made $24m

     
1:03 pm on Nov 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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convicted of sending hundreds of thousands of unsolicited e-mail messages to AOL subscribers......amassed a fortune of $24m from his sales, prosecutors said.

[news.bbc.co.uk...]

I hate spam email as much as the next person, but 9 years is a bit excessive, don't you think?

1:38 pm on Nov 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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More info on the case from the local county news site here [leesburg2day.com].

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9 years is excessive but it should serve as a good deterrent.
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I don't think it is excessive. These people stole countless amounts of time and effort (which translates to money) from millions of people and companies. If they made $24M, they probably cost $240M easy in time, energy and effort.

If someone stole outright $240M dollars that was unretrivable, would you consider 9 years too long a sentence? It doesn't matter that they did it a few seconds and margins of bandwidth at a time. They still stole it and it will never be given back.

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The 9-year sentence is rather ridiculous - but the case shows the true problem with spamming: it pays. Guys like this wouldn't do what they do if there weren't a significant number of people who buy (fraudulent) products from spammers. Not just a few idiots who haven't heard the continual, dire warnings about buying from spam emails, but $500k a month's worth of business - thousands and thousands of customers.
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Does he get to keep the money when he comes out?

Parol in, say, 5 years for good behaviour?

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Man, that guy had a net wealth of 24M! Who says spam doesn't pay.

>>Does he get to keep the money when he comes out?
Not in a fraud case.

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Lock 'em all up I say!

And 50 years no access to any computer equipment thereafter!

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but 9 years is a bit excessive, don't you think?

No.

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Wonder if any of the inmates have issues about time in their life wasted cleaning out spam trying to get to their girlfriend's email?

Wouldn't that be something if they decided to vent some of their frustrations on 'the spammer guy'?

How is it they do that - release their pent up frustration - in prison?

Just rewards and I'll shut up now that I've vented some of my frustrations.

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9 years is about 8.5 years too many. He should have plead guilty to rape/manslaughter - anything less serious than spam ...
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I thought 9 years was a bit excessive, but then I saw the 24 million amount. He knew damn well what he was doing. From rags to riches and back again I guess.
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From rags to riches and back again

Wasn't that the tagline for Steve Martin's "The Jerk". Beautiful.

9 years ... he won't serve all of it, of course, but he deserves to rot.

Most of us on this board know how to spam and could if we wanted to as the money would be easy. We chose the ethical path for our earnings - he gets prison. Seems fair to me.

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...and do you know what they do to spammers in prison?
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I don't get it..did they buy legit products from him, and he just solicited them in an improper way, or did they get scammed?
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Wonder if any of the inmates have issues about time in their life wasted cleaning out spam trying to get to their girlfriend's email?

PC's in prison?---I don't think so

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PC's in prison?---I don't think so

Guess again. Many mimimum security prisons offer limited internet access.

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I hate spam email as much as the next person, but 9 years is a bit excessive, don't you think?

Depends on the damage he did. $24m? wow - the release of that news will get more people into it, before you know it the mafia will be running it.
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I hate eMail spammers, I hope he meets bubba there ;)
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Hmm, you must consider that this is a cause of fraud, first and foremost. The method initially used to help perpetrate this fraud was spam...

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was also found guilty of breaking a state law which prohibits the sending of more than 100,000 e-mails in 30 days
does aohell have so much influence in their home state that they were able create a state law?
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From the article in the local news:
Jaynes was considered by anti-spam groups as one of the top-10 spammers in the world.

So one down, nine to go? :) Anybody know this fellow?

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>>So one down, nine to go?

all I can say is that I am glad that search engine spam is not illegal.;)

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Trust me everyone 9 years is not enough!

I can guarantee the costs of this one person to lost profits as per time was well over 300 million easy! ....... EASY!

==== Quoted =====
hannamyluv
I don't think it is excessive. These people stole countless amounts of time and effort (which translates to money) from millions of people and companies. If they made $24M, they probably cost $240M easy in time, energy and effort.
==== End Quoted =====

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Dodger

The Mafia is already in it. Who do you think is behind the stock market "BUY STOCK F-** NOW" routine?

Re: "...the mafia will be running it"

;)

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first of all:
he WASN'T charged with scamming people so that is irrelevant. He was charged and convicted with spamming for three days. 9 years is way to much...

If they want to talk about $24 million, snake oil salesman etc., they should've charged him with fraud.

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all I can say is that I am glad that search engine spam is not illegal.;)

Have you looked in the basement of the Google building? It's divided into cells.

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We sort of handling things a little bit differently
in my parts of the world.

If we got somebody that doesn't just "behave,"
they get the business end of a Louisville Slugger.

They will never type or sign a royalty check again.

and the money goes to charity.

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Walkman come on brotha - what would you call suckering peoples life savings into a stock thatís is all hype and no action, this is "Boiler Room" in play, no pun intended, mafia, yep, thatís who pushes 90% of the stock "Freud" IMO

This image of the guy makes ya wanna hit him for no reason anyway - I think even the boys in the cell/prison will love this little cuty. Haha
[leesburg2day.com...]

============ Quoted From Story =================
"Prosecutors told the jury Monday in their closing arguments that Jaynes was making $500,000 a month by spamming people with products like an Internet history eraser, Fed Ex refund processor and penny stock pickers. They claimed Jaynes, with the help of his accomplices, circumvented Internet provider servers by forging their IP addresses for the phoney business they are alleged to have set up to send the spam. IP addresses are unique to every computer that has an Internet connection, similar to a personís Social Security number. By forging an IP address, one can circumvent spam filters and avoid being reported by those who complain about spam."
============ End Quote From Story =================

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3:09 am on Nov 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If he was smart, alot of that money would be in an offshore bank account.

The thing I don't understand, why didn't he quit when he was ahead and just move to a country that had no extradition treaty with the USA.

Amazing how a person can be so smart in one way, and so stupid in another.

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