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Spammer gets 9 years

....but made $24m

     
1:03 pm on Nov 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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convicted of sending hundreds of thousands of unsolicited e-mail messages to AOL subscribers......amassed a fortune of $24m from his sales, prosecutors said.

[news.bbc.co.uk...]

I hate spam email as much as the next person, but 9 years is a bit excessive, don't you think?

3:22 am on Nov 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Amazing how a person can be so smart in one way, and so stupid in another.

I think your post sums up 95% of the financially successful criminals in history. The other 5% make up the majority of the Grand Caymans.
3:33 am on Nov 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Haven't you people heard of the appeals process? This bloke will never go to jail.
3:41 am on Nov 5, 2004 (gmt 0)



Hollywood,
I am not supporting his actions at all. He should be charged by the SEC and all the states for the scams he pulled. In this case he was charged for spamming, that's all. What's fair is fair.
5:05 am on Nov 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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woop01
"I think your post sums up 95% of the financially successful criminals in history. The other 5% make up the majority of the Grand Caymans."

Wow that was great - perfect - what a post - almost fell over in agreement, and yes what a dumbo - I would have hit grand cayman and man the women! Woooo , would never have told! Fire and forget - Hollyweird hits the Cayman Islands - never returns - the rest could spam all they want, and to say he stayed in Virginia was it! - Just plain dumbo-ness

Hahaha - LMFAO - wow need to get another beer now

7:28 am on Nov 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The thing I don't understand, why didn't he quit when he was ahead

Greed.

7:43 am on Nov 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Like someone said this is a case of fruad spam, was just a tool. It could have been phone calls, regular mail...whatever. He is not going to prison for spam.
9:37 am on Nov 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I hope they make him get the soap... i hate spam...
10:22 am on Nov 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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This thread is starting to sound like an episode from the Simpsons.
String him up!
11:45 am on Nov 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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the time should be in proportion with the crime. 9 yrs will destroy some one's life for being nothing more than, lets face it, a pain in the ass.

he doesnt deserve that

12:00 pm on Nov 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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So $24M for 9 years(worst case scenario)
How many of us earned $2.66 M this year.
Who says crime? does not pay!
MM
12:50 pm on Nov 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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You lot who are on the high horse are just jealous. Who wouldn't do spam for that money if they could get away with it? You are just too dumb to work out how he did it, or too scared to try.

[edited by: SlyOldDog at 12:52 pm (utc) on Nov. 5, 2004]

12:51 pm on Nov 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Nine years is excessive. Many rapists get off with less.

So I guess people getting spam emails is worse than rape. The Justice system works great, eh?

1:09 pm on Nov 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Nine years is excessive. Many rapists get off with less.

So I guess people getting spam emails is worse than rape. The Justice system works great, eh?

Rapists should get life. 9 years seems about right for stealing 24 million.

As many have said this guy will only serve a couple years in reality.

1:25 pm on Nov 5, 2004 (gmt 0)



"9 years seems about right for stealing 24 million."
what was he charged with? did you read the article?
2:13 pm on Nov 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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They were convicted under a state law that bars the sending of bulk e-mails using fake addresses.

und guilty of breaking a state law which prohibits the sending of more than 100,000 e-mails in 30 days..

But Jaynes' lawyer David Oblon called the nine-year recommended term "outrageous" and said his client believed he was innocent.

You got to be kidding me!

2:25 pm on Nov 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Even a short stay in prison will provide you with long lasting memories of Bubba AND his close friends. Try placing a value on that!
3:03 pm on Nov 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I heard that there was a special place in hell for spammers. Now there is a special place on earth as well. Still 9 years is too much I think.
3:20 pm on Nov 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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But Jaynes' lawyer David Oblon called the nine-year recommended term "outrageous"

I agree - totally outrageous - FAR too lenient - not NEARLY long enough...

At $24m over 9 years - that's $2.6m a year. Not a bad deal - and more likely to incentivise than deter.

Of course he won't serve anything like as long as this anyway:

a) He'd walk away in half the time for "good behaviour"
b) 9 years is only a jury's recommendation - when he's actually sentenced next year I bet he'll get the usual slap on the wrist...

Right - enough of this rant - I've got some spam to clear out of my inbox!

3:21 pm on Nov 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Jaynes was also found guilty of breaking a state law which prohibits the sending of more than 100,000 e-mails in 30 days, Virginia State Attorney General Jerry Kilgore reportedly said.

That's ridiculous - there would be many legit businesses with more than 100,000 subscribers. Don't move to Virginia.

3:28 pm on Nov 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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That's ridiculous - there would be many legit businesses with more than 100,000 subscribers. Don't move to Virginia.

Like AOL itself?

I am sure that this law is not applied uniformly to *all* who send out 100K/month...

Of course, until I read the statute itself, I can't know for sure.

3:42 pm on Nov 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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You are just too dumb to work out how he did it, or too scared to try.

Whats your point? Go home :p It wouldnt be hard to find out how he done it or how do it again!

How many Emails did he send to make that much?
How many Emails did he send to the same people over and over?

The jury were right to say 9 year, he wont get that much but it is a good idea! lol

4:01 pm on Nov 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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You are just too dumb to work out how he did it, or too scared to try.

That whole it's now illegal thing. That has nothing to do with it either.

It's not THAT hard to do what he did (which would be why email boxes are flooded with spam), the same as it's not THAT hard to pull off a bank heist. Both can make you rich very quickly, and both can land you in jail. The later is something that most people would like to avoid.

4:03 pm on Nov 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It's not THAT hard to do what he did (which would be why email boxes are flooded with spam), the same as it's not THAT hard to pull off a bank heist. Both can make you rich very quickly, and both can land you in jail. The later is something that most people would like to avoid.

IMO, most bank-robbers get off with just a few Ks, before they're caught by the cops around the corner. Then they spend a decade or two picking up the proverbial soap, especially if they have priors.

4:31 pm on Nov 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Who wouldn't do spam for that money if they could get away with it?

That would be me and I am sure many others reading this thread.

You are just too dumb to work out how he did it, or too scared to try.

This apparently may come as surprise to you: some people have principles that they won't compromise.

5:04 pm on Nov 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I guess the problem I have with this is that if they wanted to get him for fraud they should have charged him with fraud. But the specific charge was sending too many emails. 9 years in prison for too many emails seems excessive. Why is 100,000 the number? What is unsolicited? This is a statute that begs to be applied unevenly. Why don't they send AOL execs to jail for sending out literally hundreds of millions of CDs. I'm not kidding when I say we still find those things in the most random places we have gotten so many over the years.

And likewise, if stealing/spoofing IPs was the real problem (and that strikes me as being illegal) why didn't they charge him with that?

5:13 pm on Nov 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I would sit in Jail for 3 mill per year, this guy did much more than just spam so those who think this is a bit much should rethink it out.

He was selling illegal products and allowing young children to see pornography a bit to early in life, you think this is ok?

It's not ok - please wake up.

:)

Hollywood

5:39 pm on Nov 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The Jury decided on 9 years for the guy, probably because he was using the spam to commit a huge amount of fraud - so the damage the guy caused was way beyond just cluttering up people's mailboxes.

But still it seems odd they would charge him under the spam law instead of for fraud.. maybe it was easier to prosecute? I doubt the 9 years will hold up, but we can always hope!

6:25 pm on Nov 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Who wouldn't do spam for that money if they could get away with it? You are just too dumb to work out how he did it, or too scared to try.

I'll be looking at what you post in a different light in the future, SlyOldDog. Is it fair to say you belong to the "I'll do anything if there's enough money in it" camp? Cause that post makes it sound like you are.

6:29 pm on Nov 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I'll be looking at what you post

Oh crap - welcome to your own personal SERP hell SlyOldDog.

7:03 pm on Nov 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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He may not serve the whole 9 years but after he becomes "big Mary's new girlfriend" it will sure seem like a lifetime. If he's a porn spammer he'll be living one of his own emails, poetic justice.
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