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'The Scream' stolen from Oslo museum

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12:37 pm on Aug 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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1:32 pm on Aug 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Yes, I saw this story this morning and thought of Brett. I figured he wanted the original for his 404 error page. ;)
2:55 pm on Aug 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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There were no alarms in the museum. The painting was out in the open hanging on picture wire. Sheesh... it's like they were asking for it.
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Same here netguy :)
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>>>It was the second time in 10 years that "The Scream" has been stolen.

Sheesh. You would think they would have learned something the first time.

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10:50 pm on Aug 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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two or three armed men threatened a museum employee with a handgun to give them the two paintings, including "The Scream"

Somehow I don't think a alarms and wire cages would have been a factor here...

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My guess is the thieves new there wasn't an alarm, hence, the heist.
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Pathetic- I hope someone gets fired for this.
1:35 am on Aug 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hang on guys - you can't fire people for cooperating with armed robbers!

What were they supposed to do: "no, you can't have the painting, now pi$$ off before I hit you with this dead fish".

Apart from having armed guards (at the Munch museum!?) or hanging the painting in a cage (which sort of defies the point of displaying artwork for the public) - what were they supposed to do?

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>>>what were they supposed to do?

Well, there is lots they could have done. The fact that they had ten years to plan for this makes them look worse.

The design of the museum space itself should discourage theft. The NY MOMA would be a difficult place to conduct such a heist because of the many stairs and elevators you have to take to get out. Same for the SF MOMA.

It would be difficult for two people to pull the same stunt in the small Yale museum that contains dozens of famous works by Magritte, Mondrian, Van Gogh, Picasso, Pollock, etc. Every room has several guards with walkie talkies, the upper floors are accessible by elevators, the rooms with the famous works are located upstairs. It would be difficult to steal from any of those museums.

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I think it was Mr. Scott of Star Trek fame who said "... fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me!"
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Let me clarify: I hope someone gets fired for not having at least a little security there. Especially since it's already happened.
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Hey ive just seen this listed on ebay!
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>>I think it was Mr. Scott of Star Trek fame who said "... fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me!"

Pretty sure Scotty swiped that from Gomer Pyle.

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10 years... hmmm, do you think one of the original 3 thieves might have been released, and he's had 10 years to figure out what went wrong the first time?
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Hey ive just seen this listed on ebay!
LMAO
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Probably important to note that this is the second time a version of the painting was stolen from an Oslo museum. Not the same painting, not the same museum.

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They probably thought no one would ever want it. I've been to the Munch museum. How depressing.

They make all their money on the Prozac consessions.

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There were no alarms in the museum. The painting was out in the open hanging on picture wire. Sheesh... it's like they were asking for it.

Just seen a report on [UK] Channel 4 News that suggests this has been the near-unanimous reaction of the Norwegian press. They've also, according to the same report, gone to town over the decision of the Munch Museum not to insure the painting against theft...

10:30 pm on Aug 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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not to insure the painting against theft...

So either this is bad management or overly zealous bean counters running the show, either way somebody should be sacked.

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Pictures of this value are often not insured due to teh cost, however you would have thought that the money saved should have gone on the security of thae place.

I heard that when teh Mona Lisa was sent to teh US in the 30's it was sent via commercial mail to save teh costs.

Couldnt imagine that happening now!

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It's already on sale in eBay UK ...

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If the underside of the Fine Art business world runs true to form then there will already have been at least six fakes made prior to the heist...
These will be sold to naive buyers ( who can hardly complain to the police when they find they have bought a fake ) and the original ( maybe ) will be returned for the insurance ...
happens all the time ...most stolen paintings generate at least 3 fakes ...usually the "returned" painting is a fake ....
The Mona Lisa being a case in point ..
which is why since it was "returned" that the authorities at the Louvre will not let anyone except their own "experts" nearer than 2 meters since it's "return" ...
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True! And Munch was hardly a Michelangelo. I think I could come up with a convincing fake version of the Scream. To me it looks like it was done at a kid's playgroup :)

I read in the paper the other day that he painted the bridge to "represent the solidity of Norwegian society" or something. I immediately got a mental picture of him starting the painting and thinking ... "Hmmm, I suppose I better include a bridge that is representative of Norwegian society today."

Aye right!

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There was an alarm, by wire, on the painting, which was triggered, but the police didn't have enough time to react since it happened very fast. The main problem was that the painting was hung about 100 feet from the entrance. Try guardian.co.uk and you'll get higher quality news.

There was no insurance because insurance can't replace a work of art, the museum understood that what is on display is art, not money. This may be a difficult concept for some people to grasp, especially people who think money is the final arbitrator of value.

The main problem the norwegian museum made was not realizing that not everyone thinks about things the way they do (they tend to be fairly honest), and borders are no longer very meaningful in the new Europe, that's naivity for sure, but it's also a sort of nice reflection on Norwegian society, which will probably have to face up to reality and make adjustments to its role and presence in the new Europe.

This was I believe the first armed type art robbery in Norway, there was little reason for them to expect it, although hanging the painting that close to the entrance was not the brightest move, although I understand it, the museum wanted to show its best to people right away.

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>>There was no insurance because insurance can't replace a work of art, the museum understood that what is on display is art, not money.

I'll let 'em hang an original finger-painting by my 8 year old. Not replacement art - rather substitute art. If someone takes it, we'll promptly whip up another substitute. :)