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grandpa

9:13 pm on May 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

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This may not be the best place to post this message... here goes. I would like some feedback from the bosses of the world. I'm a newbie boss and so far there isn't much that I like about the job.

This week I hired an accountant/bookkeeper on Monday. She started on Tuesday. On Wednesday she was a no-show, no-call. Today she came in early to tell me the problems of the previous day. I fired her. I'm trying to run a business and I need people I can depend on to do the work they were hired to do.

Besides feeling like a jerk, I think I did the best thing by stopping this behaviour now. In the past I let it evolve and the pattern never got any better in spite of repeated assurances that things would change.

Staffa

9:20 pm on May 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

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You were right to fire her, I would have done the same.

There's nothing to feel guilty about, you have a business to run and as for her let's hope it's a lesson never to be forgotten.

If this is her attitude towards work then you can imagine what your books would have looked like in 6 months time.

Too many people these days who think that a "that'll do" equals near perfection still have a long way to go and they seem to make up the majority.

jatar_k

9:29 pm on May 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

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on her second day no show no call

yep, fired is right

did she ask for a reference

hehe

LifeinAsia

9:33 pm on May 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

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My first impression is that you were completely right and I would have done the same thing.

However, I might modify that based on what she said the reason was. If there were EXTREMELY extenuating circumastances (father had a heart attack, had to take to the hospital, hospital lost all inbound/outbound phone lines in a freak accident, no cell phone coverage in the vicinity of the hospital, etc.), I MIGHT give her another chance (after verifying the details of her story). However, if her father decided to have a heart attack every other day, I would still fire her.

Syzygy

9:54 pm on May 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Today she came in early to tell me the problems of the previous day. I fired her.

And you would wish to be treated in the same way..?

lawman

10:14 pm on May 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

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>>And you would wish to be treated in the same way..?

Intersting question. Please elaborate.

grandpa

12:26 am on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

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.. you wish to be treated in the same way..?

I've been fired for what I would consider to be less. It didn't feel right, but I agreed to their terms when I was hired. Likewise, this person read and agreed with signature to our company policy for all employees.

I need people I can depend on

This is the gist of the matter for me. Most days I still feel like a drowning man with a soggy rope to hang on to. I need people who can help me to manage by producing results, not excuses.

martinibuster

8:03 am on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

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No show/no call is irresponsible unless they had a serious calamity to deal with. You didn't say what the excuse was, so it's kind of difficult to give an opinion on it.

SilverLining

11:59 am on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Grandpa, you should not feel guilty, as your decision seems to have been justified by her actions. Even though she had a valid excuse, a phone call/email/txt message would have made such a difference on her side. Some people just don't have responsibility within them, but I would say most people realise the importance of keeping their employer in the loop, especially when they have just started at a company.

ronin

5:34 pm on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

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With today's communication technology, there's not much of an excuse for not getting in touch by phone, by mobile phone, by text message, by email, by instant messaging or by VOIP at any time during the entire day.

Perhaps next time you take someone on you could give them a "Employee's and Employer's charter of rights and responsibilities" before they start their first day. Then tell them that they are on special probation for the first month.

If, as an employee, I went AWOL on my second day and did not get in touch then I wouldn't be surprised to find myself fired when I showed up on day three.

But it doesn't hurt to spell things out to people sometimes just to make sure there are no misunderstandings.

rocknbil

6:19 pm on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Perhaps next time you take someone on you could give them a "Employee's and Employer's charter of rights and responsibilities" ... it doesn't hurt to spell things out to people sometimes just to make sure there are no misunderstandings.

Sorry, I don't agree there, in the context of simply not showing up for work. IMHO (sorry trillianjedi) this is one of the problems with the world today, people don't want to assume responsibility for themselves. You shouldn't have to spell out ordinary expectations. "Must not fear heights and be able to dangle from a scaffold while washing windows on a high-rise building without throwing up" is one thing, "SHOW UP FOR WORK" is something else. If you have to tell someone that, you don't want them working for you.

If someone has this attitude toward a NEW JOB, just think of how they are going to treat their work and your customers.

And you would wish to be treated in the same way..?

Absolutely, if I landed a new job and didn't show up on day one or even have the respect to find a phone and make a call, I would EXPECT to be canned. If I **didn't** get fired I would have absolutely no respect for my new employer.

There are plenty of hard-working honest people left in the world who will be glad to fill this position. It's pretty obvious you did the right thing.

grandpa

6:22 pm on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

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give them

There's a key element. I do give them an Employee Rules of Conduct to read, sign and return, then I keep it on file. I'll make another copy, with a cover sheet, for each employee to retain. The person in question did sign and it return it, but I doubt that she read it in 5 seconds.

Too bad:
4. Neglect of duties and responsibilities will not be tolerated.

guilty

Nope, not feeling guilty, but I was feeling pretty crabby the rest of the day.. and the next. But, tonight is the annual Corn Dance at Tolstoy Farm and I'll be there, drumming until sunup, probably feeling very much guilt free. ;-)

I appreciate the responses. Selling manufactured widgets is so much more than just a website.

ann

8:23 pm on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

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You were right.

I once had a job where the only excuse that was acceptable for not showing up or contacting the office was attending your own funeral.

If you died in your chair you were expected to finish out the day before they could haul you away.

Of course, I always figured the boss was joking about that one. ;)

Ann

LifeinAsia

8:27 pm on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

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If you died in your chair you were expected to finish out the day before they could haul you away.

A former boss a long time ago told me, somewhat paraphrased, that if you're going to die at work, at least have the good sense to clock out before then.

ken_b

8:59 pm on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

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>>> feeling like a jerk...

Why? Are you running a business or a popularity contest?

And you would wish to be treated in the same way..?

This question could just as easily be asked of either party.

Just for kicks, next time you interview someone ask them what the difference is between a job and a beach party. If they say they don't know you may want to reconsider hiring them.

Rugles

9:19 pm on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

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You did the right thing.

I am a guy who was heavily involved in unions at one point in my life, but not showing up for work on the second day, and not even phoning, is inexcusable. Shows a complete lack of responsibility.

Like somebody mentioned, if this is what she does for the second day, what would the books look like after a few months.

Lilliabeth

10:49 pm on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

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It's a no-brainer. Outta here and fast.

And you would wish to be treated in the same way..?

This is a business he's running, not a 12-step program.

D_Blackwell

11:09 pm on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Who you are counts.

Second day, no show, no call = 0 reserve of good will in the bank. Letting it slide invites disaster in the near future. Stiff consequences, with actual suffering, should be minimum penalty. If they can take it and go on to prove themselves... If not, then good riddance.

Years of service with excellent reputation and known for minimum BS = A huge reservoir of deserved good will and special consideration.

Most people fall in between of course. However, people who make excuses, or have 'things come up', tend to be the worst of recidivists. It's always going to be something. Each excuse may be reasonable or valid, but there is just no getting around that there is always something needing to be excused.

People may be created equal, but they don't stay that way for long. The cream does rise to the top. An issue with someone who rarely has issues can be handled in the most low key fashion, almost as an aside. An issue with a known PITA needs immediate intervention.

BillyS

1:45 am on May 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

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You never did say why she didn't show up. Unless someone was hospitalized and she couldn't get to a phone, then I would have fired her too.

Honestly, you did her a favor. Hopefully she'll learn from the experience.

percentages

6:13 am on May 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

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grandpa,

My advice is to first employ your family members that want/need a job.

After those, employ people that want to join your family. They will be harder to find, but, worth it!

Loyalty is hard to find, much harder to buy! Time is the best buying instrument, not hard cash.

Time is by its very nature not a quick solution, hard cash by its very nature is a tricky solution. Family by there very nature will simply "do the right thing" and that is a great solution for all :)

rocknbil

5:19 pm on May 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Oh my I hope that is a sardonic statement. Family are **the worst** employees ever, even if it works out it's still family. :-) grandpa YGPM on a different topic.

clayscottbrown

8:38 pm on May 13, 2006 (gmt 0)



You did the right thing, no question.