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krod

12:37 pm on Oct 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hello,
I own a forum and had adsence running on it. I am a non-profit organization. I explained in a post the I added the ads due to the increasing amount of bandwidth i am paying for. Some users took it wrong, made a forum post about clicking on the ads to support the organization without my knowledge or consent. I received a email saying my adsence was disabled. At the time i couldn't think of anything of why they would disable it, then i scanned though the forums and say that a sole user made a topic about clicking on the ads to support us. Before you enter the forum there is a agreement on how the moderators can not moderate every post and to read at the user's own discretion. Why would google disable my account due to a user's misunderstanding?!

oddsod

12:42 pm on Oct 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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You have violated the Adsense TOS whether you realised it or not. That's one of the dangers of Adsense on forums.

I'm curious, did you expect to be terminated from Adsense when you made your YPN application three weeks ago [webmasterworld.com]?

Suggestion: Write politely to Adsense requesting a reinclusion and explaining what measures you've put in place to prevent a recurrance. If that doesn't work ... move on, find something else.

krod

12:43 pm on Oct 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Also, are there any good alternatives to adsence, since it looks like all decisions are final at google. (YPN won't reply to me and kanoodle hardly makes anything for me)

krod

12:45 pm on Oct 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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No, i wasn't expecting to leave adsence. I was expecting to use a adrotator to see if YPN works better then adsence....

oddsod

12:45 pm on Oct 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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If what you say is true I'd take a step back and see why your site isn't attractive to advertisers. Address the fundamentals and the money will flow in later.

trillianjedi

12:47 pm on Oct 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I agree with OddSod - the best policy if you want to be reinstated with Google would be to write to them, explain what happened, and what measures you are putting in place to ensure that such click-fraud cannot happen again.

TJ

krod

12:49 pm on Oct 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The adsence profits were great, I provide free linux shell accounts for education and for people who can not afford them. YPN hasn't sent my a email saying if i was accepted or not...should i re-apply? Or should i consider fastclick?
I have sent them a email, they have replied and said i have in some way violated the TOS.

petra

12:52 pm on Oct 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Before you waste your time ask yourself this question: If you were an advertiser, would you want your ads showing on your forums? In other words are your forums authorative enough to make your members and visitors want to click on the ads to actually buy a service/product? If the answer is yes then explain that to Google, if the answer is no and your forums are just for general discussion then don't waste your time you will not be re-instated.

trillianjedi

12:55 pm on Oct 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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i have in some way violated the TOS.

They are correct - you drew attention to the adverts, which is against the TOS. Your original forum thread about it is what started the click-fraud and is the root of the problem.

It's a problem you need to resolve first, before re-applying to AdSense or applying for any other contextual advertising program.

TJ

krod

12:57 pm on Oct 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I have resolved this, i have deleted my post and explained to the users in a email what has happened and not to do it again. Is it possible to re-apply to adsence for the same site?

[edited by: krod at 1:04 pm (utc) on Oct. 7, 2005]

trillianjedi

1:02 pm on Oct 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Krod - please see WebmasterWorld's own TOS here:-

[webmasterworld.com...]

... in relation to posting of email extracts.

If you have removed the root of the problem and emailed google and they have refused to reinstate you, then it's time to move on.

Once a site is banned, it's my understanding that the domain is blacklisted against AdSense permanently, in which case even a different AdSense account holder would not be able to place AdSense ads on that domain.

TJ

krod

1:08 pm on Oct 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I understand, hopefully YPN will accept my application...

Paris

1:23 pm on Oct 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Krod, community sites -- those without illegal clicks -- are usually poor earners under AdSense. The fact that your site, while noble in intent, caters to folks who can't afford Linux shells, also makes it a poor target audience for advertisers.

Throw in a PayPal contribution button there if you want folks to donate to help subsidize the site. At least that can't be gamed as it's real money going in.

If I were you I would start a new secondary site that can be monetized, and keep the original community running.

JohnDoealias

1:51 pm on Oct 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I am not sure if Google will reconsider.

But I am sure they will reject if you re-apply with same site.

krod

4:27 pm on Oct 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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yeah, i was thinking about starting just a information portal....while keeping the free shells division..

oddsod

4:39 pm on Oct 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I have resolved this, i have deleted my post and explained to the users in a email what has happened and not to do it again.

That's only a resolution till the next person makes a click-the-ads post.

ann

5:09 pm on Oct 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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You did say that the forum was read at own risk?

Most ad companies require you to have a well moderated forum in order to show ads on it. That means you have to vigilantly watch it or have delayed posts that you ok before they go "live". Better yet, have some full time mods on the job.

Good luck,

Ann

krod

6:57 pm on Oct 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I have about 20 mods, but due to the size, everything can not be moderated.

ann

7:01 pm on Oct 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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In that case, a cpm banner network seems to be the best bet but they, or a lot of them don't care for free for all forums where you are not taking responsibility for the things being posted.

You could try adbrite, never used them but I have heard they pay fairly well.

Ann

krod

7:12 pm on Oct 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I have been using adbrite, it has made hardly anything.

ann

7:17 pm on Oct 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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How about Tribal Fusion?

ann

7:42 pm on Oct 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Had a thought.

Do you use or have considered using popunders? I have them and they pay much higher that all the banner ads put together.

Just a thought.

Ann

krod

12:15 pm on Oct 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

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tribal fusion won't accept me :(
any ideas on how to get accpted?

petra

4:15 pm on Oct 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I think you need to have at least 2000 unique visitors/day. And you also have to have a quailty site that advertisers want to advertise on.

creepychris

4:22 pm on Oct 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Once a site is banned, it's my understanding that the domain is blacklisted against AdSense permanently, in which case even a different AdSense account holder would not be able to place AdSense ads on that domain.

I have seen one instance of a site that was banned, tried all avenues to get reinstated, failed, and then suddenly a year later had the ads running again. Though I'm not sure how he got back in. This case was a little different than the Suzy Virtual case because it was over a year from the original ban to the reinstatement.

miguelito

6:59 pm on Oct 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I understood that not only do they ban the site but that they also ban the publisher from using any adsense services on any site.

I received an invalid clicks email on one of my 12 web sites in january and they withdrew adsense from all 12 sites. It took me 4 months of politely written emails with full stat and traffic details to get them to change their minds and reinstate me but at no point did they offer to tell me which site was causing the problem.

We arenīt allowed to open more than one account but be aware, if you use adsense across multiple sites, they will strike them all down if they decide you have invalid clicks and they are registered in your name..unfortunately we have no choice but to put all our eggs in the same basket but the result can be devastating....i calculate i lost $ 20,000 in earnings which brings us to the second point raised here....other sources.

Whether it be adbrite, briteads, #*$!, kanoodle, fast click, clicksor or whoever, they are all basically crap when compared with adsense in terms of revenue potential....i speak from bitter experience ;)

The world of Google Adsense is changing, inevitably, a year ago was the golden period when ads were placed on good quality sites.

A quick look at most of the new posts in this forum is evidence that the system is now plagued by unscrupulous people whose only concern is to open a cheap site and squeeze it for all the adsense money they can...this inevitably is decimating the quality of the average publisher and the advertisers are taking note more and more each month.

I fear the goose that laid the golden egg is beginning to croak...all good things have to end and it stands to reason...at this rate the world and his wife will have a website with adsense on it by the end of the year and this is one industry where quantity does not equal quality.

Tropical Island

7:06 pm on Oct 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I fear the goose that laid the golden egg is beginning to croak

Not if you have a quality site.

europeforvisitors

7:10 pm on Oct 9, 2005 (gmt 0)



A quick look at most of the new posts in this forum is evidence that the system is now plagued by unscrupulous people whose only concern is to open a cheap site and squeeze it for all the adsense money they can...this inevitably is decimating the quality of the average publisher and the advertisers are taking note more and more each month.

Google's revenues from the content network have been growing steadily, so there's no reason to believe that advertisers are fleeing in droves.

I fear the goose that laid the golden egg is beginning to croak...all good things have to end and it stands to reason...at this rate the world and his wife will have a website with adsense on it by the end of the year and this is one industry where quantity does not equal quality.

That's obviously the main reason why Google has introduced blocking by domain and site-targeted CPM ads. It's reasonable to assume that we'll see even more advertiser controls and/or AdSense product extensions as time goes by, with the existing one-size-fits-all, lowest-common-denominator content network offering the equivalent of cheap run-of-network ads.

krod

8:04 pm on Oct 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

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well, i have about 3 diffrent domains that all lead to the same site. The one that they banned was simply i could simply redirect to my other domain....could i still sign up with the other domain?

ann

8:18 pm on Oct 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

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No, YOU are banned and all the sites you were running adsense on were banned. You could get a brand new site and still be banned as YOU are banned. No more adsense accounts, ever, unless Google actively reinstates you.

Ann

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