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It started when I came upon a web site where some kid was blatantly breaking the rules by asking his buddies to click on his Adsense ads.
So I did what a lot of people do... I contacted Google! I figured Google would shut this punk down immediately. Boy was I wrong!
Every time I went back to this kid's web site the message asking his friends to click the ads were still there! This went on for a few weeks and I really started to get ticked off at the lack of response on Google's part.
So I decided to take matters into my own hands. I contacted each sponsor directly and told them there was a chance their ads were being displayed on a cheater's site. I figured if THEY complained to Google, something would happen!
Well I guess I was right! One of the sponsors emailed me back two days later and said:
"I want to thank you for pointing out the kids
clicking on my ads. I turned it over to my Google
rep, and he called today to let me know Google is
disabling their account. Also, he said Google is
crediting me a decent amount for fraudulent clicks
over the last quarter."
It's funny how Google shut this kid down in TWO DAYS because a sponsor contacted them but when I had been trying for weeks, nothing happened. Makes you think...
Telling Google about Adsense cheaters is fruitless... but informing the sponsors, and asking them to contact Google, works immediately!
rather than telling me why I am wrong you complain about my age and reveal your hopes for me not being in the program. a way to go..
And by the way, what do you call 'a grown-up land'? Do you really think there are such lands?
david_uK:
we suffer from everything, starting the gas thrown to the atmosphere and finishing with a dog which evacuates to your neighbours garden. but you probably wouldn't loose milions of dolars because of a few kids that make a few bucks asking their friends to click, would you?
Next, 50% or less, whatever. It's still nice money. Too nice for just doing nothing.
About an arrow pointing to the ads: I know one site like that too. It is embarassing, the webmaster says he uses all the money to the site, but that's a lie. Anyway, noone reports.
Again, I wouldn't care about the advertisers and their problems as long as there are enough of them to pay me money. More or less of them, it's still income.
(I say I wouldn't, because I actually, to the joy of the other forum members, do not earn much from adsense.)
And btw, even though that's life, life sucks. ;)
Oh, well, whatever.
No, they can't go to jail for it and noone will come and arrest them but obviously pickpockets have no moral fiber about them at all.
In the end unethical people never win except for the short term. Just when they get used to ill gotten gains, BAM! they are cut off at the knees!
Ann
You aren't very good at answering questions or justifying your statements are you?
Earlier in the thread you mentioned the word "Traitor". I asked you to explain what you meant, and you haven't bothered to try. Nor have you given a satisfactory answer to any of the other points posters have raised in this thread. However, we seem to be getting nearer the truth (thankfully).
but you probably wouldn't loose milions of dolars because of a few kids that make a few bucks asking their friends to click, would you?
OK - please try and understand this. It really isn't complicated. If an advertiser makes wrong decisions on keywords, or targets the wrong area and the campaign doesn't work, then it's the advertisers fault. He/she takes the hit and puts it down to experience. If people click the ads and nobody buys for these reasons then tough - should have done the reseach better. That is a risk, and a loss that advertisers can, and do accept - rightly so.
A webmaster that incites visitors to "click to make me rich" is defrauding advertisers. Your attitude is that "Advertisers deserve it". NO advertiser deserves to be defrauded, and shame on Google for not doing much to kick offenders out.
Again, I wouldn't care about the advertisers and their problems as long as there are enough of them to pay me money. More or less of them, it's still income. (I say I wouldn't, because I actually, to the joy of the other forum members, do not earn much from adsense.)
So it seems that the reason you don't care about adsense, publishers or advertisers is that *YOU* don't make money from it.
Let me ask you this then. If you had a site that people wanted to visit, and there were advertisers willing to pay you good money for clicks, would you suddenly start caring about the quality of the adsense program because *YOU* suddenly started making money from it? If by clearing out junk advertisers from your site and/or adsense so that your site made more money, what would your attitude be then? I suspect if you had a site that worked for you, we would see a change in your attitude.
Maybe the reasons adsense doesn't work for you need examining. You can make good money from very middling keywords - I do. The reason is that my site is a content rich site that people want to visit. because I get good visitors, I get good advertisers who pay well - even on crummy keywords.
I suspect that the fact that you have a site that adsense doesn't work well on is down to you, and not a fault of adsense, advertisers or other publishers. I'd suggest that your energies would be made better use of by making your site work for you, than trying to justify click fraud and hating advertisers / google.
So it seems that the reason you don't care about adsense, publishers or advertisers is that *YOU* don't make money from it.
I suspect it may be just the opposite - maybe there is money being made and it's just being made any old black hat way possible just to get the cash. Some people simply don't care what they do to others, as long as it works out well for themselves.
Can someone from Google please pay attention to this.
If any G rep would like the URL I'll be happy to provide it.
Can someone from Google please pay attention to this.
I'm not a google rep or employee, but isn't it possible that they've already looked into it and taken the action they felt was necessary?
Maybe there are actually NO clicks happening at that URL, so there is nothing to remove or disable. That site could have hardly any traffic at all.
Maybe they are discounting every click that comes in from that URL.
Could be that they are waiting until they do an account audit (maybe it's done in batches and that batch hasn't come up yet, but it's still flagged for fraud clicks).
There are all types of reasons why you may still see ads even if the site has had some action taken against it. I don't think Google will tell you *what* exact action they will take.
Or you could be right and nothing is being done about it and the publisher is making hundreds or thousands of dollars from it. I doubt it though.
It's the fact that they are breaking every rule in the book and the ads are still running.
It's just so blatant that it's unbelievable.
Just shut off the ads and I'll shut up.
Also, it doesn't make a lot of sense to discipline a site, and leave it there serving ads and STILL breaking all the rules. *IF* there has been some action taken, part of the action should have been to enforce the TOS. We can all see the anger and bitterness that is building towards Google for allowing publishers to behave in this way. It would make sense for Google to be seen to have taken action and enforced the TOS IMHO. The fact that this doesn't happen rather indicates that no action has been taken.
With this in mind, we are back to seeking some explanations from Google. Maybe a separate thread should start detailing individuals complaints that Google have failed to act on. Obviously no urls as per TOS, but it would be good for Adsense Advisor to be aware of what our gripes are on this issue, and maybe he/she will forward posts (details) to Google.
It really p*ss*s me off that Google have nowadays ceased answering emails except an auto-notification. When they do answer, it's always from the stock of boiler-plate replies and don't address your question.
I completely agree with you - canned replies are not a good way to solve questions from individuals, and there is just one thing I am absolutely wondering about: WHY does Google not simply hire people to take care of both publishers and advertisers? They have truckloads of cash, and hiring talented support guys and account managers is not rocket-science. I know that they try to boil down every thing to algo's, but a few things can only be handled by humans. Well, maybe this is just one more question for ASA.
WHY does Google not simply hire people to take care of both publishers and advertisers? They have truckloads of cash
Because they want to make even more truckloads of cash.
Itīs hilarious on this forum how many members think that Google is a God which can do no wrong and if you criticise them itīs because you are "bitter" or "have been suspended" or "work for Yahoo"!
As a corporation i am sure they are not particularly bad but it is the INDIVIDUALS inside the corporation who deal with you and humans are incompetent, lazy and corrupt.
Sometimes not even that, ever asked a question to google about search engine rankings etc;? Try it and see how many totally unrelated carbon copied email replies they bombard you with.
Basically, if you are not an adwords advertiser, they will pay you only lip service as it is not worth their time to deal with you and i am convinced that is a deliberate policy.Advertisers fill their corporate buckets with cash so they sit up and pay attention and everyone else is "ignorable" which is why they probably ignored the report on the click-fraud website discussed here or "forgot" to do anything about it.
But how do you hunt out the sites displaying your ad and know if someone is click frauding?
Have a look at your logs and you will see where your AdSense ad clicks are coming from. Take a little time and check them out.
While researching another issue I came across this on a site - LOL!
The graphic links below help generate traffic to xyza and to quality, Christian web sites. Please visit them as often as you can. Plus, click on the Google Ads to take advantage of special offers!
Hey vartotojas, it is possible to make very nice income on internet without being on the dark side.
Ant btw, life's cool ;)
The site I mentioned in Message #38 is still up and running, Sept. 19, with AdSense ads and now has multiple pop-ups.
It is now Sept. 23 and this site is still showing AdSense ads.
Come on Google get something done about this!
Maybe that will get some action.
Ann
I was treated by G perfectly well long before I had any commercial relationship with them. And got most of my traffic from them and still do.
I find it amazing that people expect that because G is a corporation that they *must* be evil or close-to.
I've worked with a lot of companies, from 1-man-bands to some of the very largest in the world, and there are good ones and bad ones (at least looking at their internal culture and behaviour, and whether they pay my invoices on time!). G seems to me to be firmly in the "good" camp, which does not make it incapable of error or stupidity, or of harbouring bad individuals, but on the whole it tries to do the right thing AND make money at the same time.
WAY too many people believe in conspiracy where cock-up is the real problem, if there is one at all.
Rgds
Damon
