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Ok, the TOS exists to be followed! But how about try to revindincate changes and make things better to the site owner? For example, I thoug paypal.com get about 3% in each transation for their service. Google dont tell the percentage! Dont tell the formula! Google should take about only 3%-7% of the value!
In the Television, the advertiser pays for exibit his ad for people watch. You only need to watch it! In internet, you have to add and to click to get some cents! 2 things! How about a fixed value for page cpm?
Google is great! But the web is most! Google only make "sense" because they search the web. And the web are us!
not too sure where you are going with this post
are you saying google should pay webmasters for putting ads on their site? because they do..
Google dont tell the percentage!
It appears to be over 50%, closer to 60%
Dont tell the formula!
Neither does Colonel Sanders, what's your point?
Google should take about only 3%-7% of the value!
Are you just visiting our planet temporarily?
Nothing is for free - Google does all the work getting the advertisers, developing the software, and maintaining a massive network, plus staffing to manage AdWords and AdSense, yada yada yada.
You are defending google just like I say on the initial post! People love google! google is making you a favor to pay some cents? Change your mind
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In the Television, the advertiser pays for exibit his ad for people watch. You only need to watch it! In internet, you have to add and to click to get some cents! 2 things! How about a fixed value for page cpm?
They do
We know how hard it is to make money with a website on the internet. Many many good projects dont go ahead because they are developed as a hobby. Only great portals which have external investors can grow in that way, because they have a professional staff dedicated.
As an alternative, sites starts to sell products like tshirts, just like google do in the beggining with googlestore.com . Or for some reason get a huge number of visitors. Minor sites can becoming huge. But without investment its become hard. The web have this character of the volunteer. This is good. The net user pay for the ISP and want everything inside net for free. A site to have a payed members area should be very competitive, as people dont like to pay to access content.
Google adsense is a way to the webmasters get money for the hard work of your sites. But of course, they should try to get things better, and not passively accept just because is already good. Of course Google have a huge inn maintaining adsense. But they have investor, much capital, and earn in the high scale. For a standard site, with average of some thousands of visits, things are better to google. You affect uour design and everything to print the ads thousands and thousands of times and get one or two dolars...You are making a big effort to take people OUT of your site by clicking links, so webmasters deserve the most of the percentage. Paypal gets 3% for his service. Google should take at most 10%...
Google is great because web is great, they are not great by itself. The web are us. Thanks.
Bill, you are one of robocops of the forum, defending almost all of the points of the TOS and beeing rude with who dont agree with it
Robocop?
It was an attempt at HUMOR, if I was rude you would know about it.
There's nothing to defend about the Terms and Conditions, once you agree to them that's it, you've agreed and should follow them and not complain. There is an option in the Terms and Conditions if you don't like them called
Termination; Cancellation - You may stop displaying Ads, Links, and/or Search Boxes on any Site in the Program with or without cause at any time by removing the Google JavaScript or similar programming from Your Sites. You may terminate this Agreement with or without cause at any time by sending written notice of your desire to cancel Your participation in the Program to adsense-support@google.com.
So I have work too. As webmasters, people should try to make more money from the program
Try AdBrite, they pay 75%
Google should take at most 10%
Dream on, the investors would stampede the Googleplex.
BTW, Paypal is a bad analogy as they're just a credit card processor and all they do is give you a payment terminal. Good is a media company, they bring you advertisers which is worth much more than the 3% Paypal does for processing a lousy credit card.
IMO that's worth a heck of a lot more than 10%.
But frankly, what Google "should" earn, or what they do earn, is irrelevant. All that matters is how much you earn on your bottom line. If you can get more money with another network, or by selling your ad space directly to advertisers, then you should do that by all means. If you CAN'T make this much money any other way, then you should have the good manners to be happy about it and not to bad-mouth them.
"Nothing is free"...Google is not making a favor! Its a business issue. Noithing is free, the work on my site isnt free... my custs with host, design, programming, developming content isnt free. However people can access it free, just like this forum? Will users support it when I need more money to keep the service? Hardly! So the webmaster put the google ad...its a favor of google? Of course not!
The fact of other companhy give 75% proof that im not dreaming. If a minor company can give a 75% google, which is one of biggest portal and have much more affiliates than this other, should get 75% or plus... otherwise is explorattion, mr. "Bill"
You said "if I was rude you would know about it." I hooe this is not a threat...Maybe your humour dont sounds good when you try to ridicularize people.
"if you dont like the rules, dont play the game"...No comments...If you dont like the rules, modify the rules. Dont play the game is work for free, as you will got be payed for your work. Google is the first network of advertisers with credibility, as a major portal. As I say, its a real and old problem on "how to make money with your site".
I simply cannot understand why people dont wants to get more for the ads and defend google in all aspects...are you afraid off? We are just talking here.
The fact of other companhy give 75% proof that im not dreaming. If a minor company can give a 75% google, which is one of biggest portal and have much more affiliates than this other, should get 75% or plus... otherwise is explorattion, mr. "Bill"
AdBrite has a different business model, different cost of goods.
What you don't know about me is I make a chunk of my monthly income selling DIRECT ADS on my site, and no I don't use AdBrite, I do it the old fashioned way with a merchant account and NO, I do NOT use PayPal (ick).
I also use AdSense and have tried a few of the others and Google pays the best, next to my own ads sales.
If you think what Google does is easy and only worth 7% then you should try making sales calls like I do, dialing for dollars to get advertisers and you'll realize it's worth a lot more than you think.
So google offet the credibility, the structure and the technology. We use it. The money spars for the standard webmaster, which dont have a huge portal.
To explain it, lets give a example. How much emplyees do you think google adsense have? Not more than 1000, I think. That 1000 people take 50% of the money of 10000000000 affiliates work. Is that right? Is that simple? They do their work, they have their custs, but we too. You have the the web content, which google are appropriating for using in his service for free.
Google search without web would not be good, dont you think? The meaning of surf in the web is to visit sites, you like google search, you like the sites, is that simples. But a site is a fractal, dont have power by itself. A visitor have power, if he click on the ad, he move the economy. Advertiser want his attention. A webmaster have power, he do the content sites, which is the goal of the click attention. Is the google owner of the web?
English is not my language. I just tried my best to explain my tought.
The fusion between Aol & time Warner show that the Internet explosion need the "old fashioned" economy of the "real world". As I say, a site gives lots of work, but isnt easy to earn money for it. All the money goes to major portals and the ISP and Telephone companies...For the normal internet user, he can only pay, pay, pay.
A site could give a lot of work for a webmaster. The webmaster can turn the site his major occupation in life, instead of develop it as hobby or volunteer. How he can survive like this? Google adsense is an alternative. But in the way that program is, he needs at least 20000 / pages day to have an equivalent of an wage. Considering all cousts, its a joke. You pay for the domain, for the host, you do your own job... and publicity is the only return that you have. I dont like payed members area, I avoid it. The web should free, but not "for free". Visitor of a site at least can visit the ads link, dont you think?
A net advertise should not be payed only for clicks, but for cpm too. The ctr is very low, even with all tactics.
If you dont like the rules, modify the rules.
Like putting "Clike here to help" near the ad in your footer?
Why would Google pay at least 90% of their advertiser revenue to people artificialy increasing their clicks. Why would Google pay them anyway?
if I was rude you would know about it.
He's not kidding here. Sanitariums love BILL. He keeps 'em fully stocked. Don't mess wif 'im.
As I say, you are adopting the posture "the minor, poor, Poor webmaster wants to get some money with ads! Oh, how kindly google are". "Things are in that way. We know how it are. We are better experienced. People think can have a website. I am better because I have a site with my own ads".
Google should avoid fraud and artificially clicks, I agree. They have reason in various points of his terms. But I see some people who dont like some of terms, would like earn more, or other rights inside the program. So, there are foruns to discus it, etc. The unique tough is a real problem in USA.
But I think a "click culture" for the visitor is not a artificial mean. If I like one site that Im using, I proudly visit the advertisor. I SEE the site of the advertisor, I Pay my attention on it, and follow surfing. Dont you agree with it?
Man, this forum is a kind if jungle with unpleasant people or what? Good Luck, I will not put more messages on this thread anymore :-). By the way, I see some messages tonight with good argues, which help me to clarify my point of view about adsense one more. Thanks people.
I said that only a huge site with millions of visits can get money with ads.
That's a wrong assumption as I was selling direct ads when my site only have 100,000 visitors a month and now that I get 400,000/month I sell a bunch of ads.
The standard website cannot selling directly, its complicated.
It's really not, you put a link on your site "Advertise Here" and direct them to a media kit page telling them the sizes of banners and text ads available and your site stats.
They click what they want, swipe the credit card and TADA! you sold ad space.
Anyone can do it, you can use PayPal (ick) to do it, or a Miva Merchant (ick) store to do it, lot's of easy ways to make it happen.
Anyway, my point was the amount of time I spend doing it is well worth more then 7% and Google is worth every penny they earn IMO.
You're obviously very frustrated at the fact that YOU are unable to make money out of the adsense program, probably because YOUR site does not convert well to the advertisers.
You have to remember that the advertisers (not Google) are the ultimate boss. Google has given the advertiser the power to track visitors actions to learn about their behaviour and to pick and choose which sites they want to be on and which sites they don't.
You say Google should pay more yet you don't even know what percentage they pay out, they could be paying 90% and they probably do for sites that convert.
One thing you can count on, if your site converts, you will make loads of dosh and you don't need "millions" to accomplish this.
Man, this forum is a kind if jungle with unpleasant people or what? Good Luck, I will not put more messages on this thread anymore :-). By the way, I see some messages tonight with good argues, which help me to clarify my point of view about AdSense one more. Thanks people.
LOL. There are fewer unpleasant people here. By argument, yes Google should disclose their share, and also consider it is their business and you are opting for it. They are not inviting you. So considering this as Google business lets close this discussion and let them do their business.
on the other hand putting a AdSense or any other advertisement on your WebPages is your business so you are the best person to judge which way you have to follow. There are so many options available and as BILL suggested you can put ad space on sale page on your site too. But as i wrote for Google, this is site owner's business and he is the final judge to decide whether to go for 50% share of Google or other available option or establish own.
I am not advocating either Google or your business just putting my views.
As far as the community is concern, webmaster world is one of the best community on the internet.
If you don't like Google then remove the code from your sites and don't participate in the program. Go to some other ad service that pays you diddly-squat.
I was already in a good mood today after hitting number 4 out of 68,000,000 results in some lovely engine :)
google is treating me very well.. even though some months are better than others im glad i do what i do.
