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Basically, I am keen to know if it is possible (legal?)
to buy visitors for five cents per click, and then earn
substantially more through clicks on high paying Adsense
advertisements.
Is there a "name" for such a process? I would like to
learn more about this concept, unless it is a breach
of Google terms and conditions.
Thanks for your time, and I look forward to reading
responses on this topic
contributes nothing but inconvenience to the internet
The strategy can be a good way to build traffic, brand exposure, etc. for your website as well as offsetting the costs.
I don't see how it is different to any other website that advertises with adwords. You pay for advertising and hope that you will get more income back than you paid for the adverts.
Yes it does seem so to have sites about the internet existing for the sole purpose of reselling ads.
When I first saw this phenomenon in action I wondered how and why the SEs allowed such practices. Relevancy is out the door when you click on site and all you get is a page full of ads.
I don't see how it is different to any other website that advertises with adwords. You pay for advertising and hope that you will get more income back than you paid for the adverts.
Making money on the web is just like making money offline. You invest now (with Adwords) in the hopes of turning a future profit (with AdSense). There is nothing wrong or immoral with this approach at all. If I didn't do so well using other means I would give it a try myself.
Relevancy is out the door when you click on site and all you get is a page full of ads.
Agreed. But assuming that the site in question does in fact add value, I'd not say it is an inconvenience.
If only I had a site with such a high CTR/CPC!
Relevancy is out the door when you click on site and all you get is a page full of ads.
Like AddLink units? or "Change to Ads About.." Ad from GG?
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I have been very successful using AdWords to gain visitors to my legitimate high-content site. They just do (more often than not) like to leave my site by going onto something else that interests them in an ad!
I pay .05 per click on my ads... but I keep all that spending to only 25% of my AdSense earnings.
The original poster never said he was sending them to an "all ads" site. He might be sending them to a good content site.
There are certain keyword combos that work for this!
See my original thread here:
There was nothing in NewQuestions' original post to suggest the poster was asking about spamming.
Media companies of all sorts do this very thing whenever they market: they advertise their TV programs to build an audience that will then see ads for which they are paid more; they advertise to attract magazine subs so that they can present higher-value, targeted ads; they advertise their radio stations on low-cost billboards to attract an audience to which they can present higher value radio commercials.
i have seen very few legitimate content sites do this, and they are probably doing it more for branding than to make a big profit.
if you have time to implement such a system, you are probably best off building more content pages. that is the proven way of making more money with adsense.
I have a young site that is not quite “prime time” yet, but I am working to improve it . After I get up to standard I intend to advertise heavily (at least up to the amount I make with Adsense) for about three months. I’m not really interested in making a profit off of the spread between adwords and adsense. However, I will gladly accept any that comes my way.
What I am interested in is brand awareness in my niche. I want to build traffic, add to peoples favorites and most of all build links. I think this is a viable business strategy and I would be disappointed if someone labeled me a spammer or worse.
Unless you have really high paying ads the math won't work out as it will cost you $50 per thousand visitors. Depends on the CTR and CPC but that scheme would cost me $50 to make $6 which is why I don't do it. If you have some high paying affiliate programs on your site then it might be worth a gamble if it only took 1-2 affiliate sales to pay for your thousand visitors.
For what you want to do, I'm more of an advocate of the AdBrite model where you spend a flat rate for a month of advertising on a popular web site or channel somewhere as it keeps your costs at a minimum.
Believe me, these sites do not care about branding and do not get added to anybody's favorites list.
I wouldn't call the practice evil or immoral, but these sites are basically leeches that add no value to anybody but in fact drain the usefulness out of AdWords.
i just looked to see if the guy is still advertising, and interestingly, he is not - and i checked a bunch of keywords that he is targeting. adsense is still showing on his site (perhaps not for long), but perhaps adwords yanked his account, or smart pricing killed the model so he stopped advertising via adwords.
if it was smart pricing, then here is at least one case where smart pricing is a godsend.
if the visitors who come via adwords do not convert well when they click on the ads on your site, i think your EPC for your entire site, irrespective of where they came from will drop. this then, would have an effect on the profits that you earn from visitors who come from natural sources.
i am not suggesting that this WILL happen, just that it is something to consider.
keep in mind that adsense clicks from visitors who came to your site naturally is virtually 100% profit.
i find that the most effective use of my time, aside from studying my logs and reading WW for new ideas, is building more and more content. if you choose wisely, doubling the amount of content on your site, can {b]more than double[/b] your adsense earnings. pay close attention to your channels and find out what is working best, and build away. this is the easiest and surest way of making more money with adsense.
if you spend your time getting this strategy to work (if it even could work), and you make money for awhile, think about what would happen if google closed the opportunity (which they might because of some of the abuse that is occurring). alternatively, think about what would happen if you spent your time adding more and more pages - you now have a more valuable site, and if adsense payouts start to decline for some reason, you still have a valuable site that has the chance of being monetized differently.
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I’m don’t like the idea of censorship and I get nervous when people talk about banning other sites or reporting them to adsense. However, at some point we have to draw a line and throw out the trash…
I agree that building content is the best method and I am working as fast as I can. I have a “real job” and a family to take care of. Still I add 5-10 pages a week. I know this is minor league stuff compared to others on WW but I am trying to build something that I am proud of and something that is useful to others.
Content, Content, Content! That is the long term solution.
Thats not to say it wouldn't work for other sites, but I've found it more productive putting my efforts into building more content, more links, and some mini-sites, where I have seen an increase in adsense revenue (and affiliate revenue).
Hope this helps.
You will then be able to put all the 'bought' traffic into one channel and see if it really does pay for itself.
So as a general rule, it doesn't work for me. Except for some relatively few keywords/phrases that mainstream advertisers seem to have forgotten. I advertize on those, not for the 0.1 cent profit per-click, but for free visitors and exposure.
Relevancy is out the door when you click on site and all you get is a page full of ads.
Yeah, that would be nonsense. Like Adlinks ;-)
I assume we're talking about regular content sites.
give every click from adwords a cookie, and use the cookie to tailor the channel used in the adsense.
Hey, that's clever!
These things do no-one any good except the greedy spammer; they confuse and possibly mislead the consumer and teach them not to click on AdSense, and they are more or less neutral wrt the advertiser. I would hope that Google would take a harder line on these in the future.
The system I'm thinking about goes something like this:
1. Find extremely high paying Adsense keyword topics.
2. Spend considerable time finding keyword variations.
3. Purchase targeted visitors for 5 cents through Adwords
4. Send them to a *forum*, with 10 controversial articles
5. Encourage them to contribute, click ads etc ...
So, I wasn't exactly sending them to a spam website, but
I also wasn't exactly sending them to a content packed
website. I intend to build content with the forum ...
BUT ...
and here is the kicker ...
When people arrive from an Adwords click, they are sent
to a single page. This page offers them an exciting and
very useful (FREE) membership to my forum. There is a
nice big chunky link that they can click to join the
forum (make it as painless as possible) ... AND ...
because I have described the "type" of forum with a
paragraph of text, the Adsense advertisements that are
placed on my page are "on topic". Basically the page is
one paragraph of content describing the free forum, and
around 5 really targeted Adsense advertisements ...
So, a 5 cent investment could result in several clicks
on high paying Adsense advertisements, AND it may also
result in a new forum subscriber (email list sub) and
this person might even build content. This person may
also hang around over time, becoming something of a
regular, and I assume they might continue to click
advertisements shown in the forums over time ...
So, what do you guys think about this idea?
Cheers,
Jonathan
P.S. - The forum builds, 5 cents at a time - and given
enough initial investment, the forum would become far
more valuable - right? Self building content, and a
stream of constant Adsense income?
I am still interested to hear from people that are
experiencing positive ROI with Adwords. Specifically,
is anyone using Adwords to promote their forums, with
an emphasis on obtaining Adsense clicks over time?
