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Removing Adsense From Non-Performing Pages

Best advice I've gotten to date

         

spaceylacie

2:58 pm on May 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I've been listening to advice on this board for about a month now and have nearly tripled my eCPM in that time.

The best advice I have received is to remove Adsense from my pages that weren't performing. This somehow made everything go up, throughout entire sites.

Channeling and testing out different border colors and formats was the second best advice, second because I had already sort of been doing this.

Thanks y'all!

spaceylacie

1:58 am on May 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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We already went through that badtigger, or at least I did, in my own head. Doesn't compute. I removed Adsense from about 20 pages compared to 100s of pages. Percentage of visitors from low performing pages was quite low, compared with overall ad/page views. Less than 5% is my estimate.

Doesn't compute. Somehow, by just removing Adsense from pages that weren't converting, made my bottom line look much prettier.

spaceylacie

2:08 am on May 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Geez, I have a lot to learn. Sorry to be double posting again. I see now what you are saying, tigger.

I have to look at these numbers for at least a few days before I decide.

badtigger

3:34 am on May 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I just think that this just has all to do with G protecting the main strenght of its AS program, which, IMHO is the quality of target ads an the ability of the algo to match them with the best fitting subsccribers.

So, this is probably just a mechanism factored into the algo to prevent everyone from simply smattering the AS ads all over the net pointlessly, which would hurt advertizers, and ultimately consumer confidence in AS. The more that the ads can be best matched between advertisers and subscribers, the more the profits.

hunderdown

3:24 pm on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)



badtigger, yes, that's exactly what I think happens, stated a bit differently. Increasing the CTR for the site as a whole by removing low CTR pages from AdSense triggers an increase in payment per click, and thus higher earnings. Sometimes. Doesn't work for everyone.

And CPM ads may cause big changes. I currently have AdSense ads on about 1/4 of my site's pages. Some pages will never get ads, but I can see increasing the number of pages with AdSense if the advertisers in my area go for CPM.

spaceylacie

4:06 pm on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Well, looking at stats for a couple more days, looks like CTR shooting up from removing the bad pages(it did go up because of that even though it wasn't very many pages that I removed it from) made the EPC go up within a few days. Higher CTR, higher EPC, now with the new serps, higher impressions... seems to be making EPC go up even more.

Hope we are allowed to discuss CTR verses EPC like this as long as we don't give out exact stats. Either something went quirky with my Adsense stats last night or Google took some of my money, but then gave it back by this morning. I'm wondering if they were looking at my sudden rise in income.

diamondgrl

3:49 pm on Jun 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I have been skeptical of whether removing non-performing pages would increase earnings sitewide. But I did a test and removed Adsense from a bunch of pages that were getting very low CPM compared to the rest of the site.

What happened? eCPM rose as expected since the low CPM pages were eliminated, and CPC also seems to have nudged up. But overall revenue declined significantly because of the reduced number of impressions. It's only been a week, but I'm inclined to call this a failed experiment.

Any thoughts?

Juan_G

6:37 pm on Jun 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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If I can ask, approximately what percentage of ads did you remove? (Or percentage of impressions).

hunderdown

6:50 pm on Jun 3, 2005 (gmt 0)



diamondgrl, a reduced number of impressions wouldn't by itself reduce your revenue--but if the pages you removed from AdSense were generating a meaningful number of CLICKs, then the revenue lost from that may not be made up for by increased EPC.

Let's say that my site's CTR is 5% (it's not). My rule of thumb was to take AdSense off pages that had CTRs of less than 1%. Then I came out ahead--increase revenue from fewer clicks. If you set the bar at 2%, say, you might be removing too many clicks, and come out behind.

So, you may have been too aggressive. Or the "higher CTR=higher EPC" effect might not operate uniformly across all sites.

Powdork

8:52 pm on Jun 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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What kind of time frame should we look at to determine poor performance? For instance, in February, 20% of my pages would have fallen below a certain ctr threshhold. Since about May 29, my entire account is below that threshhold.

Another consideration is the cause of the poor performance of your lowest ctr pages. There are two good ways to get high ctr.
1. Traffic=Content=Ads
2. Traffic=Ads/=Content
There are three ways in which your ctr could be low.
1. Traffic=Content=Ads
2. Traffic=Content/=Ads
3. Traffic/=Content/=Ads
Only in situation 1 should you remove adsense from poorly performing pages. In situations 2 and 3 consider trying to bring the ads inline with the traffic (or vice-versa) before removing the ads altogether.

badtigger

11:25 pm on Jun 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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bring the ads inline with the traffic

But how to do this part?

Powdork

8:16 am on Jun 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The first thing you have to check is whether or not there are any targetted ads for your content. Search for terms you think your pages are about. What ads show with the search results. Are they better targetted than the ads on your pages? If there are targetted ads for your pages then you look at why you are not getting those ads (more later). Second is your traffic. If your page is about widgets and you buy lots of traffic thats either random or mostly looking for gizmos then you shouldn't expect that traffic to click on widget adsense ads.

So your traffic is targetted and there are ads available but they won't show on pages where the content is relevant. My experience shows that folder names seem to help. For instance, example.com/widgets.htm will be more likely to show ads about example.com while example.com/widgets/index.htm will be more likely to show ads about widgets. I also believe that adsense will try mimic the ads out on your pages (note to self... make it against my TOS for anyone to mimic the links on my site;)). Keep in mind though that if everyone did this, the effect would be gone and, if you rely on SE traffic, changing your file structure would likely put you out of the game until everyone did it. Also keep in mind, my experience hasn't paved the road with gold yet. Other than that standard white hat seo seems to work. MediaPartners-bot still believes that if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it might just be a duck.

spaceylacie

8:35 am on Jun 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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When I removed my poor performing pages, about 5% of pages, I didn't notice any drop in page/ad unit impressions. My overall impressions actually went up.

I think what I did was take away exits on pages that people don't normally exit from. They were pages with a very low number of clicks, but a decent amount of impressions. Without the Adsense "escape" it seems they hung around longer.

badtigger

9:51 am on Jun 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Thanks Powdork! I guess the only thing that makes this such an up and down ride is the huge differences that ads pay from week to week.

spaceylacie - I have noticed the same thing -- removing the ads from pages that generate less than 1%, drove my page impressions up. Doesnt even make sense, as everything else is the same.

spaceylacie

11:57 am on Jun 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Inexplicable!

Reminds me of a line in the movie, Princess Bride... Can't remember the exact words.

Powdork

7:03 pm on Jun 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Vizzini: Inconceivable
Inigo Montoya: You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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