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Of course part of this depends on where he is and how much money you want to spend defending your business.
Mike
How to prevent?
Some great replies here. The one that motivated me to reply was
An even better idea is to not get into fights with people over inane topics that could affect your business. Keep you mouth shut and next time you won't attract this kind of crap.
What do other publishers say to this point of view? Revenge by click fraud is totally a reality. What momotan is suggesting is that publishers avoid getting anyone mad. Seems a bit regressive, from a publishing point of view.
But, the lack of any hue and cry from others seems to indicate that such an attitude is well thought of; that most AdSense publishers prefer venality and craveness - Google pays me, I wont say anything that would bother another person...
I'll post it again, so you can read it.
An even better idea is to not get into fights with people over inane topics that could affect your business. Keep you mouth shut and next time you won't attract this kind of crap.
Every day, there is a factor of publishers who will get thrown out of AdSense, losing their time and effort in having displayed the ads. Google will refund the clicks, and make the money back in short order.
And, you are complicit. Each time they do this to a publisher of a "hot" topic (or a competitive niche topic), the web loses a publisher, and a voice while Google gets its payment on the float of the smaller publisher's work.
What will it take to get publishers to demand a system that cannot be so easily gamed? When will you all have the strength to say, if one publisher can be the "Revenge by click fraud - what to do?" publisher, then can't we ALL can be that publisher?
The solutions offered are all unteneable: cookies, easliy cleared; ip tracking, surely you have heard of proxies?
Google's context-based ads get their value from the publisher's who create the context. Is there any value in having websites become a places where publishers are told to "keep your mouth shut"? And, all just because of poor design - that Google WONT reconfigure the system.
AdWords users got a system redesign - they got CPM. Doesn't this weeks's revenge by click fraud story, replied to with "just keep quiet" illustrate the humiliating, almost feudal situation publishers accept? What will it take for you to speak out? Aren't you next?
If the attacker wanted to attack you, even you shutdown your site and web server, they can just copy your Adsense ID and display ads on the attacker's own scraper site to abuse it.
That's a really good remark, Burntan.
For a long time I am trying to convince Google to tie publisher's code to the actually registered publisher's sites.
In that way only the clicks coming from your site and matching your code would be counted and credited.
Not only because of the reason you mentioned, but also to wipe out now huge businesses using stealware/parasites on users' pc's in order to steal comissions.
thvi
Is there any value in having websites become a places where publishers are told to "keep your mouth shut"?A monetary value. That's why we use adsense.
...the web loses a publisherThe web may lose an adsense publisher. So?
...opting out enmasse for a week.Don't think so.
qbert,
...am I going to have to remove the ads just to prevent this?Maybe. Let us know what Google recommends, if anything.
Thanks for your reply. When you write:
"The web may lose an adsense publisher. So?" What if that publisher was you? And, when it is you, will it be "So?" then? I'd be interested in your response to this. To others: why is everyone so willing to defend a system that patently fails to protect publishers? Why not speak up and demand a better system?
When I asked:
"Is there any value in having websites become a places where publishers are told to "keep your mouth shut"?
And you said:
"A monetary value. That's why we use adsense."
Would you say money trumps ALL? Are you willing to "keep your mouth shut" for money? Some people would argue that this is an ideal that is not for sale. I've tried to makle the case from both sides, that, of course, being able to be free from vandalism for speech is a universal value.
But, more practically, for those of you who don't feel this way, the question still redounds to you: you can LOSE your money due to Google's inferiorly designed system - while they are guaranteed their money, and able to use your work to the last minute. If being made a coward doesn't discomfort you, why not agitate for a better system to protect your investment?
Your site can be next for the "Revenge by click fraud - what to do?" treatment. What will be posted next week? Why not ASK Google, nay DEMAND that they do something about it now to protect your time, ionvestment and money? AdWords users did, and look what they got. Why not publishers?
Google AdSense: Just Keep Your Mouth Shut, or Give Up - and Thanks for the Billions.
This week it is "Revenge by click fraud - what to do?", what will next week bring? Publishers in EVERY OTHER VENUE get protection. No actor, writer, broadcaster or singer would accept a system that puts ads on his or her work and then can arbitrarily pull earned income WHEN TECHNICAL SOLUTIONS EXIST.
And, when it is you, will it be "So?"Yes, it will be.
Would you say money trumps ALL?We're only talking about Adsense. At least I am. That is the extent of this forum.
If you don't like Adsense, don't use it.
Anyways I having the same problem right now, I email google and no repond yet, is there anything I can do in my part to find out whose ip is doing this.
Thanks
Cloak!
Require a cookie OR that the user agent is the Google Mediabot for displaying AdSense ads.
However. This is yet another thread that supports my desicion to never use AdSense in a forum.
is there anything I can do in my part to find out whose ip is doing this.
[google.com...]
Or try a general search for "adsense tracking", "adsense tracking scripts", or similar.
Do you think Adsense is a lemonade stand operation?
1. It doesn't matter if he uses proxies. See [caida.org...] for a tip of the iceberg in how Google and other companies with big bucks to spend can track you, click-happy religious zealots, and every other mere internet user.
2. It doesn't matter if he clicks dozens of times. In all large scale fraud detection schemes there are exceedingly complex behaviour pattern thresholds. Playing an Adsense unit like it's Pong is a no-brainer for them to notice. Do you believe Adsense would regard dozens of clicks from a single user as normal? The answer is no, they don't, and they aren't going to penlize you as the publisher unless there is some kind of tangible connection to you.
My advice to you as an Adsense publisher with 2500 uniques a day for almost 2 years: sit back, relax, and ignore.
I have always thought about joining Adsense but I have heard a lot of things that has always kept me from signing up.If you searched on Google for google fraud or people complaining about adsense you'll find a lot.A lot said that they just recieved an email saying there is clicking fraud and that there account will be cancelled without anymore explanation.they tried emailing the support but they never heared from them.I know some of these people may have really tried to fool google yet I'm sure that there are some that were attacked.What if someone can code a script or a spider/bot that can click your ads.what if he can upload it to hundreds of free hosts and attack all your sites from different ips of the hosts.Ok,I know nothing about programing but I'm pretty sure this can be done with all this kind of hackers.
Yes I have joined Adsense but I'll never use it as my main source of income.There's a lot of affiliates programs online and I think a lot uses adsense a lot as they can see their earning growing steadily while with affiliates programs you get the money with each sale.I haven't used Adsense before but I'd say that I can get the same from affiliates programs as adsense for the same period of time.
Onething that could keep things a bit better is that noone should know your sites.I'd never ever use adsense on a forum or on a religious site,Why?because google can't protect their publishers from fraud.
If google accepted my application as a new publisher,the first thing I'm going to do is to email them asking if there's any script that can protect my ads from fraud.
And finally
"Don't put all your eggs in one basket." ;)
