Forum Moderators: martinibuster
taking 50% of the money
Regardless of where one stands on the issues being discussed here, let's try to claims like this with facts.
The only publicly available information that can be used to determine how large a share Google keeps versus what they give to publishers is in their SEC files, which people have used to calculate that Google keeps about 22 or 23% and pays the rest to publishers.
That's an average, of course, so large publishers may be getting more and small publishers less, but if you're going to claim that Google's share is more than double that, then you need to support that statement.
Any ambiguity in Adsense's relationship with publishers only exists in order to keep people from learning how to game the system.
It is absolutely correct, they DO have the technical ability to make some aspects more transparent, but they have not because if they did, they would be giving spammers and cheaters even more info on how to cheat.
Go form a website, do a boycott, I will gladly take your Adsense revenue for that week.
Thanks for your reply. Read this:
First my AdSense account got terminated (invalid clicks), same thing happened with AdSonar.I offer free hosting, so whenever my competitors feel like kicking me out of business they send people to click on my ads. Blocking IPs etc..etc...didnt help. I sent server logs to both companies no luck whatsoever.
Bottom line is that I've tried everything to prevent these situations and no luck as I've already said.
Your site, EVERYONE'S site is JUST as vulnerable. What will you do when this happens to you? (Please read the above quote before you answer). Will Google stand behind you or...invalidate your earnings for that period and cancel your account. How is that right? Would you say to the person above: "You are silly."
Google is playing you. The system has glaring vulnerabilities for publishers. The ONLY thing it does, for certain, is earn Google BILLIONS while offering publishers no protection.
I am sure there is a kind of early-adopter mania going on here. Kind of like the people who bought in Love Canal and then would never leave. It may be that, for the first time, people's hobbies or avocations are earning them some money. As surprising as that has come, many former working folks have leveraged AdSense into a fine living. Your Beer Can Collection Photos for the first time, and almost shockingly, earning cash, you are willing to defend it to the last. (One unionized government employee extolled the virtues.)
I, on the other hand, have to tell you, have some legal background. Additionally, I have started, sold and purchased a few businesses, one of which was a video production company I am quite sure most of you would be familiar with. No producer, director or actor who COULD deliver profits, as your sites now do, would accept an arrangement whereby WE, alone and exclusively, could use their material for marketing campaigns, earn money from it and then cancel their checks. They wouldn't accept the deal.
You need to realize that you are getting PLAYED. Simply because you AGREE to it does not make it right. Look at the economics here. If all of your profits can be reversed and no options are given to you, then you are GIVING away your work. That is silly. It is a ridiculous, preposterous absurd arrangement. Sure, if your Quilts of Lower-Marion site has no competition, but darn high EPC, you'll continue to do well.
But, you've entered a fool's bargain. Indefensible. You earn only as long a Google says you are legitimate. You may call that business, but it's not. That you are blithely willing to offer your content with such little protection and obvious obliviousness to its actual value shows how poorly you understand the deal you've entered.
What if I offered to pay you $5 per click if I could come to your neighborhood every morning and throw an egg at your house? Well, you could agree to that, but you wouldn't, because we value the rights of personal property. Well, we ALSO value the rights of a person's created work. You can't use someone's work and then tell them they won't get paid. Google can use your site up until they stop, retroactively cancel your earned income and then move their contextual ads over to the next site and collect their profits on the rebound. Let me assure you, that is a very bad deal.
They could offer protection or alternatives. Google doesn't because they know they can play you all - that you'll all leave yourself totally open to losing the value of your work.
The system CAN be changed. What is silly is that YOU just won't ask for it. Once you get competition, you'll wish you had.
so whenever my competitors feel like kicking me out of business they send people to click on my ads.
